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Re: U.S. widens trade blacklist to include some of China’s top AI startups

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Post by chronic71819 » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 7:48 PM UTC

soheil wrote: post #6

Legitimate question: at what point does censorship become something more benign such as blacklist or sanctions? If we do it?

Censor: Highly targeted and specific, usually along the lines of communication. Like Xi and Winnie the Pooh. The US doesn't censor(?)

Blacklist: Broader, usually applied to products and companies. China blacklisted Facebook. The US blacklisted Huawei.

Re: U.S. widens trade blacklist to include some of China’s top AI startups

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Post by rpmisms » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 7:50 PM UTC

abootstrapper wrote: post #9

derision wrote: post #5

Have any other candidates expressed support for hardline Chinese policies? Trump easily has 4 more years, but I'm not sure who can successfully keep this going after that. I haven't paid much attention to the field, but I haven't seen any news on anyone else making statements on the topic.

> Easily 4 more years. What planet do you live on?

The same planet the people who thought he'd win in the first place were on.

Re: U.S. widens trade blacklist to include some of China’s top AI startups

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Post by dwoozle » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 7:52 PM UTC

abootstrapper wrote: post #9

derision wrote: post #5

Have any other candidates expressed support for hardline Chinese policies? Trump easily has 4 more years, but I'm not sure who can successfully keep this going after that. I haven't paid much attention to the field, but I haven't seen any news on anyone else making statements on the topic.

> Easily 4 more years. What planet do you live on?

Myself, the planet where a president with a stronger stock market and unemployment than when he entered ~always gets re-elected.

Re: U.S. widens trade blacklist to include some of China’s top AI startups

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Post by Scarbutt » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 7:52 PM UTC

abootstrapper wrote: post #9

derision wrote: post #5

Have any other candidates expressed support for hardline Chinese policies? Trump easily has 4 more years, but I'm not sure who can successfully keep this going after that. I haven't paid much attention to the field, but I haven't seen any news on anyone else making statements on the topic.

> Easily 4 more years. What planet do you live on?

To be fair, almost everyone thought Trump was going to lose first election.

Re: U.S. widens trade blacklist to include some of China’s top AI startups

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Post by akhilcacharya » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 7:55 PM UTC

derision wrote: post #5

Have any other candidates expressed support for hardline Chinese policies? Trump easily has 4 more years, but I'm not sure who can successfully keep this going after that. I haven't paid much attention to the field, but I haven't seen any news on anyone else making statements on the topic.

Elizabeth Warren has.

Re: U.S. widens trade blacklist to include some of China’s top AI startups

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Post by akhilcacharya » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 7:55 PM UTC

rpmisms wrote: post #12

abootstrapper wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Easily 4 more years. What planet do you live on?

The same planet the people who thought he'd win in the first place were on.

Read up on mean reversion and the fact that he won a 3 million fewer votes.

If he even finishes* his term that is..

Re: U.S. widens trade blacklist to include some of China’s top AI startups

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Post by rpmisms » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 7:59 PM UTC

akhilcacharya wrote: post #16

rpmisms wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same planet the people who thought he'd win in the first place were on.

Read up on mean reversion and the fact that he won a 3 million fewer votes. If he even finishes* his term that is..

Yes, and he had a 2% chance of winning his first term. Are you going to trust the polls again? I'm not.

Re: U.S. widens trade blacklist to include some of China’s top AI startups

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Post by rpmisms » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 8:00 PM UTC

dwoozle wrote: post #13

abootstrapper wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Easily 4 more years. What planet do you live on?

Myself, the planet where a president with a stronger stock market and unemployment than when he entered ~always gets re-elected.

Downvoted for facts. Sorry, man

Re: U.S. widens trade blacklist to include some of China’s top AI startups

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Post by Merrill » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 8:02 PM UTC

I thought that "blacklist" was deprecated and that "denylist" or "blocklist" were appropriate usages?

https://developers.google.com/style/word-list#letter-B

Re: U.S. widens trade blacklist to include some of China’s top AI startups

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Post by C14L » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 8:02 PM UTC

chronic71819 wrote: post #11

soheil wrote: post #6

Legitimate question: at what point does censorship become something more benign such as blacklist or sanctions? If we do it?

Censor: Highly targeted and specific, usually along the lines of communication. Like Xi and Winnie the Pooh. The US doesn't censor(?) Blacklist: Broader, usually applied to products and companies. China blacklisted Facebook. The US blacklisted Huawei.

> The US doesn't censor(?)

Any government will try to censor at some point. The difference is that Western countries have independent judicial branches with the power to stop the government from censoring.