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Re: Vote Today on Senate H-1B Bill

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Post by sieabahlpark »

sv_h1b wrote: post #29
Konnstann wrote: post #26

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What do you define as diverse? You wouldn't call a diet that consisted of 90% rice and beans, and 10% whatever else diverse. As opposed to a diet that consisted of 25% rice, 25% beans, 25% leafy greens, 25% meat.

Currently the diet is 25 grains of rice, 25 chopped pieces of beans, 25 leaves, and 25 cows. Unhealthy? Likely. Unfair? Definitely. The current bill tries to go closer to fairness by weighting based on population. What if there are only 3 countries in the world, US, Lithuania, and Rest? Would you want 50 Lithuanians and 50 rest and call it diverse?

It's fair the way it is because it doesn't matter what country the people are from in the first place. I don't know how a monoculture is more diverse in this case.

It's backwards to think this is better for the people who are trying to get in from places like Europe or Canada, or even parts of Africa. They're now at the back of the line behind India and China. Nothing about this bill promotes fair diversity, or even diversity itself. Unless you explicitly measure diversity in quantity of melanin in their skin which is racist itself.

Re: Vote Today on Senate H-1B Bill

#32

Post by Konnstann »

sv_h1b wrote: post #29
Konnstann wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you define as diverse? You wouldn't call a diet that consisted of 90% rice and beans, and 10% whatever else diverse. As opposed to a diet that consisted of 25% rice, 25% beans, 25% leafy greens, 25% meat.

Currently the diet is 25 grains of rice, 25 chopped pieces of beans, 25 leaves, and 25 cows. Unhealthy? Likely. Unfair? Definitely. The current bill tries to go closer to fairness by weighting based on population. What if there are only 3 countries in the world, US, Lithuania, and Rest? Would you want 50 Lithuanians and 50 rest and call it diverse?

I just wanted to know what "diversity" had to do with the question, and what was meant by diversity. An overwhelming presence of one type of anything is not "diverse", but that doesn't say anything about health or fairness.

I'm not commenting on my support or opposition of the bill.

Re: Vote Today on Senate H-1B Bill

#33

Post by sieabahlpark »

longstation wrote: post #23
longstation wrote: post #18

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Also add to your comment, every time this bill comes up in the news, it says people from India and China will benefit from it. But the reality is, only people from India will so because currently the wait time for people born in China is about 4 years, after the bill, for the next 10 years, no GC will be given to people born in China because the long waitlist from India. In fact, no one from China I know supports thi…

Why downvote? I am stating the fact. We are discussing the issue, and you should not downvote just because that person is potentially against your interest.

HN will become the next Reddit with vote manipulation. Even when it's absolutely clear this has major flaws.

Re: Vote Today on Senate H-1B Bill

#34

Post by sieabahlpark »

tsycho wrote: post #22

All of you who are commenting on how it's unfair that this bill will mean most green cards over the next few years will go to Indians, how is it fair that Indians currently have an 50+ year queue for a green card? As a personal anecdote, one of my reports (at a FAANG company) has a double Masters (CS and Math) from a top 5 US school, and is a star performer, and without this bill, he has no hope of getting a green ca…

If you want an anecdote I've met multiple indians who have masters in the US who can't conceive of solutions themselves. They can't figure out "if" statements or solve logic problems that are trivial that I'd expect a freshman in college to solve.

Don't be fooled by that the people around you are the majority who get the green cards or visas. It's actually quite a weak argument all together. Same as this one.

Re: Vote Today on Senate H-1B Bill

#35

Post by sieabahlpark »

sv_h1b wrote: post #30
throwaway123x2 wrote: post #27

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I wasn't aware that we had a national obligation to be fair to Indians. Especially since Indian tech bodyshops have made a mockery of the entire H1B system.

I wasn't aware that US doesn't need a civil society since a part of the population has made mockery of the system have committed crimes and many are in jail.

No need to go off topic and try to stir up a flame war. Go to Reddit for that.

Re: Vote Today on Senate H-1B Bill

#36

Post by sv_h1b »

sieabahlpark wrote: post #31
sv_h1b wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Currently the diet is 25 grains of rice, 25 chopped pieces of beans, 25 leaves, and 25 cows. Unhealthy? Likely. Unfair? Definitely. The current bill tries to go closer to fairness by weighting based on population. What if there are only 3 countries in the world, US, Lithuania, and Rest? Would you want 50 Lithuanians and 50 rest and call it diverse?

It's fair the way it is because it doesn't matter what country the people are from in the first place. I don't know how a monoculture is more diverse in this case. It's backwards to think this is better for the people who are trying to get in from places like Europe or Canada, or even parts of Africa. They're now at the back of the line behind India and China. Nothing about this bill promotes fair diversity, or even…

Ok so what you are saying is that in a 3 country world: US, Lithuania, and Rest, you insist and define 50 Lithuanians and 50 rest is fair, and call out any changes as racist.

By your definition, both a toddler and Arnold Schwarzenegger should both get same 2 slices of bread, because it is 'equal' and 'fair'. Anything else would be ageist?

Re: Vote Today on Senate H-1B Bill

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Post by sv_h1b »

sieabahlpark wrote: post #35
sv_h1b wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wasn't aware that US doesn't need a civil society since a part of the population has made mockery of the system have committed crimes and many are in jail.

No need to go off topic and try to stir up a flame war. Go to Reddit for that.

Ok to the point: 5-6 companies have made mockery of the H1B system. Let's not fix issue for suffering people who came legally as the cream of the system, are highest paid as an immigrant group, pay taxes, understand democracy because of 'those' rotten apples?

Re: Vote Today on Senate H-1B Bill

#38

Post by sv_h1b »

sieabahlpark wrote: post #34
tsycho wrote: post #22

All of you who are commenting on how it's unfair that this bill will mean most green cards over the next few years will go to Indians, how is it fair that Indians currently have an 50+ year queue for a green card? As a personal anecdote, one of my reports (at a FAANG company) has a double Masters (CS and Math) from a top 5 US school, and is a star performer, and without this bill, he has no hope of getting a green ca…

If you want an anecdote I've met multiple indians who have masters in the US who can't conceive of solutions themselves. They can't figure out "if" statements or solve logic problems that are trivial that I'd expect a freshman in college to solve. Don't be fooled by that the people around you are the majority who get the green cards or visas. It's actually quite a weak argument all together. Same as this one.

And so the system will filter and reject them. Unless you believe everything is Office Space?

Re: Vote Today on Senate H-1B Bill

#39

Post by hummerbliss »

sinatra wrote: post #15
umvi wrote: post #2

> It eliminates the per-country cap, which meters issuance of green cards so that they are distributed to applicants from all countries I'm not an especially pro-diversity person, but won't this just mean Indians will get 99% of green cards with immigrants from all other countries fighting over the remaining 1%? I don't know if that's a good thing necessarily, change my view. This perception is just based on my own c…

The problem is how we define diversity. People from Luxembourg, Switzerland, and Monaco are considered different from each other. But people from Punjab, Kerala, and Assam are not. I’ll argue that people from the latter group of states from India are as diverse as people from the former group of countries from Europe. And because those Indian states have bigger populations than many countries, obviously those states…

Very well put.

Re: Vote Today on Senate H-1B Bill

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Post by longstation »

sieabahlpark wrote: post #33
longstation wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why downvote? I am stating the fact. We are discussing the issue, and you should not downvote just because that person is potentially against your interest.

HN will become the next Reddit with vote manipulation. Even when it's absolutely clear this has major flaws.

Yes, and even the "why downvote" comment got yet another downvote.
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