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Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by dang »

slg wrote: post #9

It might be more appropriate to link to a indepdent article about this rather than Gabbard's site. Here is one from The Verge [1]. It sounds like Google's fraud/spam algorithms automatically triggered the suspension (maybe due to a large increase in spend meant to build on Gabbard's post debate momentum). The account was unlocked after human intervention. Gabbard insinuates the initial suspension was politically moti…

OK, we've changed to that from https://www.tulsi2020.com/tulsi-vs-google. If anyone suggests a better link, we'll be happy to change it again.

The site guidelines call for original sources, but in the case of press releases, especially corporate ones, we tend to switch to the best available third-party article.

Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by metalchianti »

taytus wrote: post #23
slg wrote: post #9

It might be more appropriate to link to a indepdent article about this rather than Gabbard's site. Here is one from The Verge [1]. It sounds like Google's fraud/spam algorithms automatically triggered the suspension (maybe due to a large increase in spend meant to build on Gabbard's post debate momentum). The account was unlocked after human intervention. Gabbard insinuates the initial suspension was politically moti…

>Gabbard insinuates the initial suspension was politically motivated, which seems hard to believe. I'm not saying that she is right but it's not hard to believe at all.

Google has been shown to interfere with results that don't align with the company's political values. It's harder to believe that this suspension WASN'T politically motivated.

Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by cwkoss »

belltaco wrote: post #21
cwkoss wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Gabbard insinuates the initial suspension was politically motivated The subtext I'm reading is that the "major" political accounts probably have specific flags set by Google internally to prevent automated shut-offs like this. If Google is not applying these whitelist flags to all candidates in a fair and systematic fashion, it would effectively be utilizing their corporate resources to disproportionately benefit c…

>it would effectively be utilizing their corporate resources to disproportionately benefit certain candidates at the expense of others Which is still not illegal. Fox News does it all the time.

Would it be legal for Fox News to price political ads based on whether they agree with the bias?

Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by bufferoverflow »

slg wrote: post #9

It might be more appropriate to link to a indepdent article about this rather than Gabbard's site. Here is one from The Verge [1]. It sounds like Google's fraud/spam algorithms automatically triggered the suspension (maybe due to a large increase in spend meant to build on Gabbard's post debate momentum). The account was unlocked after human intervention. Gabbard insinuates the initial suspension was politically moti…

> insinuates the initial suspension was politically motivated, which seems hard to believe

How is that hard to believe? We know for a fact Google does political censorship.

https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/24/insider-blows-whis...

https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/25/breaking-new-googl...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ricI5t66cj8

(note these are fresh links just from the last 2 days)

Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by dvt »

dang wrote: post #31
slg wrote: post #9

It might be more appropriate to link to a indepdent article about this rather than Gabbard's site. Here is one from The Verge [1]. It sounds like Google's fraud/spam algorithms automatically triggered the suspension (maybe due to a large increase in spend meant to build on Gabbard's post debate momentum). The account was unlocked after human intervention. Gabbard insinuates the initial suspension was politically moti…

OK, we've changed to that from https://www.tulsi2020.com/tulsi-vs-google . If anyone suggests a better link, we'll be happy to change it again. The site guidelines call for original sources, but in the case of press releases, especially corporate ones, we tend to switch to the best available third-party article.

Mind using the NYT link? It's in my post above yours. I think it's higher quality than the Verge. (Although I still think in my heart of hearts we should link to Tulsi's blog post but I understand the opposing viewpoint.)

Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by the_reformation »

cwkoss wrote: post #17
slg wrote: post #9

It might be more appropriate to link to a indepdent article about this rather than Gabbard's site. Here is one from The Verge [1]. It sounds like Google's fraud/spam algorithms automatically triggered the suspension (maybe due to a large increase in spend meant to build on Gabbard's post debate momentum). The account was unlocked after human intervention. Gabbard insinuates the initial suspension was politically moti…

> Gabbard insinuates the initial suspension was politically motivated The subtext I'm reading is that the "major" political accounts probably have specific flags set by Google internally to prevent automated shut-offs like this. If Google is not applying these whitelist flags to all candidates in a fair and systematic fashion, it would effectively be utilizing their corporate resources to disproportionately benefit c…

It's totally reasonable for Google to draw the line somewhere in an exceptionally crowded presidential race. Imagine if anybody could get around Google's fraud controls by just declaring yourself a presidential candidate.

Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by dang »

dvt wrote: post #35
dang wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, we've changed to that from https://www.tulsi2020.com/tulsi-vs-google . If anyone suggests a better link, we'll be happy to change it again. The site guidelines call for original sources, but in the case of press releases, especially corporate ones, we tend to switch to the best available third-party article.

Mind using the NYT link? It's in my post above yours. I think it's higher quality than the Verge. (Although I still think in my heart of hearts we should link to Tulsi's blog post but I understand the opposing viewpoint.)

Ok, switched to that from https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/25/8930373/google-tulsi-gabb....

Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by therein »

belltaco wrote: post #21
cwkoss wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Gabbard insinuates the initial suspension was politically motivated The subtext I'm reading is that the "major" political accounts probably have specific flags set by Google internally to prevent automated shut-offs like this. If Google is not applying these whitelist flags to all candidates in a fair and systematic fashion, it would effectively be utilizing their corporate resources to disproportionately benefit c…

>it would effectively be utilizing their corporate resources to disproportionately benefit certain candidates at the expense of others Which is still not illegal. Fox News does it all the time.

Yeah, Google probably has no legal obligation to be an equal-opportunity ad platform however they really should be more careful when it comes to internal procedures like this. For instance whitelisting all potential candidates would have been a better idea.

Besides, if they are so eager to make algorithms decide things like this only to be fixed later by a human, they should at least set better thresholds or include some heuristics to find correlations that might legitimize the increase in spending or clickthrough.

Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by mtgx »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #34
slg wrote: post #9

It might be more appropriate to link to a indepdent article about this rather than Gabbard's site. Here is one from The Verge [1]. It sounds like Google's fraud/spam algorithms automatically triggered the suspension (maybe due to a large increase in spend meant to build on Gabbard's post debate momentum). The account was unlocked after human intervention. Gabbard insinuates the initial suspension was politically moti…

> insinuates the initial suspension was politically motivated, which seems hard to believe How is that hard to believe? We know for a fact Google does political censorship. https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/24/insider-blows-whis... https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/25/breaking-new-googl... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ricI5t66cj8 (note these are fresh links just from the last 2 days)

Some people still cling to the 10-year old image of "good guy Google."

I used to be one of those people.

Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by dv_dt »

the_reformation wrote: post #36
cwkoss wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Gabbard insinuates the initial suspension was politically motivated The subtext I'm reading is that the "major" political accounts probably have specific flags set by Google internally to prevent automated shut-offs like this. If Google is not applying these whitelist flags to all candidates in a fair and systematic fashion, it would effectively be utilizing their corporate resources to disproportionately benefit c…

It's totally reasonable for Google to draw the line somewhere in an exceptionally crowded presidential race. Imagine if anybody could get around Google's fraud controls by just declaring yourself a presidential candidate.

It seems not too difficult to turn them on equally for every candidate that made the debate and had to qualify with either a polling or a donator threshold.
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