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Quantum Darwinism, an Idea to Explain Objective Reality, Passes First Tests

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Re: Quantum Darwinism, an Idea to Explain Objective Reality, Passes First Tests

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are the actual papers available online? On arxiv.org?

Yes, they are linked from the blog post. The experimental papers are arXiv numbers 1803.01913, 1808.07388, and 1809.10456. The basic theoretical papers are available from the Wikipedia page on quantum Darwinism, also linked.

Ok, thanks!

Re: Quantum Darwinism, an Idea to Explain Objective Reality, Passes First Tests

#32

I don't know if the analogy to darwinian evolution makes much sense, it seems to me that it makes more sense to see this as a way of error-correcting our reality, that is to say quantum phenomenon occur because anything else would cause a severe inconsistency.

It is indeed a stretch, but it's just supposed to be an evocative name not a perfect analogy. In particular, quantum Darwinism has a notion of fittest types of information, and this information is replicated, but it crucially does not feature a notion of mutation, so in particular it cannot result in increasing complexity/sophistication over time as produced by biological Darwinism.

Re: Quantum Darwinism, an Idea to Explain Objective Reality, Passes First Tests

#33

I don't know if the analogy to darwinian evolution makes much sense, it seems to me that it makes more sense to see this as a way of error-correcting our reality, that is to say quantum phenomenon occur because anything else would cause a severe inconsistency.

It is indeed a stretch, but it's just supposed to be an evocative name not a perfect analogy. In particular, quantum Darwinism has a notion of fittest types of information, and this information is replicated, but it crucially does not feature a notion of mutation, so in particular it cannot result in increasing complexity/sophistication over time as produced by biological Darwinism.

Evocative "sorta" names have a tendency to spread misinformation when the scientific details are opaque to most people. It's not a practice that I think is okay.

Re: Quantum Darwinism, an Idea to Explain Objective Reality, Passes First Tests

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post #18
post #8

Here's a rebuttal from a physicist https://motls.blogspot.com/2019/07/quanta-magazines-anti-qua...

Motl is often too agressive and not fair to the target of his critiques, but when it's about quantamagazine vs. Motl he's the safe bet. (I've not read neither in this case, though.)

lol when it's quantamagazine vs motl, somehow nobody wins.

Re: Quantum Darwinism, an Idea to Explain Objective Reality, Passes First Tests

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is indeed a stretch, but it's just supposed to be an evocative name not a perfect analogy. In particular, quantum Darwinism has a notion of fittest types of information, and this information is replicated, but it crucially does not feature a notion of mutation, so in particular it cannot result in increasing complexity/sophistication over time as produced by biological Darwinism.

Evocative "sorta" names have a tendency to spread misinformation when the scientific details are opaque to most people. It's not a practice that I think is okay.

Then you should probably express your displeasure to guy who picked the name :)

Seriously though, all evocative names are imperfect. Laymen always over interpret them. I don't like "quantum Darwinism" much, but if your standard is that the name of a mathematical concept not be misinterpreted, then basically all English words are out.

Re: Quantum Darwinism, an Idea to Explain Objective Reality, Passes First Tests

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Really good article but I’m unconvinced about those pointer states. The classicly observed values simply have overwhelmingly higher probability.

I also view the apearance of classical physics as you say, but I am not sure if that rules out this concept in the article. I admittedly don't really understand what the article is saying. (It takes me alot of work to understand these things.) The author does admit that this is just an implementation of the basic laws of quantum maechanics. I suppose why this is interesting is just that in large systems the aggregate behavior does not always follow obviously from the basic rules.

I would like to write down what I considered to be the standard motivation for why the classical solution arises, which is in other words why it is more probable, as you point out.

In the Feynman path integral formalism, any paths in the system is possible, with an amplitude proprotional to the exponential of the action. (Action as in a Lagrangian). For paths that are an extremum of the action, there is the least destructive interference between neighboring paths, since there is the smallest phase change between these neighboring paths. Of course this extremum of the action is, not coincidentally, the classical solution, which is the result from the lagrangian formulation of classical machanics.

Re: Quantum Darwinism, an Idea to Explain Objective Reality, Passes First Tests

#39
From the first paragraph of the article:

> An atom typically can’t be assigned a definite position, for example — we can merely calculate the probability of finding it in various places.

Is this really the case? Or maybe author meant 'electron' instead of 'atom'?

I mean, if we wouldn't be able of calculating the position of an Atom, how could "A Boy And His Atom" would be possible?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSCX78-8-q0

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