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After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Post by nfoz »

echelon wrote: post #29
rlpb wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> GDPR compliance can be extremely expensive to implement... Bullshit. It's trivial to implement. Don't store my personal data. Done. It may be extremely expensive to store and process my personal data and remain GDPR compliant, if you insist on doing that. And admittedly it may be expensive to store and process others' personal data while excluding EU citizens from that mechanism. But the blanket statement "GDPR com…

> Bullshit. It's trivial to implement. Don't store my personal data. Done. Tell that to the dozens of engineers that spent months on GDPR compliance at my company. I personally spent two weeks making sure my systems had both export and deletion capability. These systems were engineered for soft delete data retention and maintaining change logs across writes. In several different databases. And offline data warehouses…

> Every system out there handling personal information needs to be re-engineered

The complaint is that this website should not be handling any personal information. (Whether you agree with that or not.)

Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Post by inlined »

echelon wrote: post #13
Spixel wrote: post #2

451: Unavailable due to legal reasons We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore access cannot be granted at this time. For any issues, contact web@tulsaworld.com or call 918-581-8300.

This is one of the many viable options US companies have for dealing with EU traffic. GDPR compliance can be extremely expensive to implement, especially for complex software comprised of thousands of microservices that handle customer data. And imagine working in an industry where data retention is legally mandated by other jurisdictions... I'm not saying GDPR is bad (I'm all in favor!), but the costs can be quite l…

AFAIK, GDPR also applies to EU citizens anywhere. A dragnet like this won’t help.

Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Post by pojzon »

sillypudding wrote: post #16

[Speculation] This is interesting to me because Crohn’s Disease (and Inflammatory Bowel Disease in general) is known to respond to certain antibiotics such as Metronidazole and Ciprofloxacin [1]. Maybe a analogous action is at play here. [1] https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/inflammatory_bowel_disease_c...

Not sure if I understood correctly. Metronidazol helps to keep inflammation at bay ? Im asking because I was taking this antibiotic and Ive seen huge change in my skin inflammation, joint pains and bowel pains.

Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

#34

Post by inlined »

echelon wrote: post #29
rlpb wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> GDPR compliance can be extremely expensive to implement... Bullshit. It's trivial to implement. Don't store my personal data. Done. It may be extremely expensive to store and process my personal data and remain GDPR compliant, if you insist on doing that. And admittedly it may be expensive to store and process others' personal data while excluding EU citizens from that mechanism. But the blanket statement "GDPR com…

> Bullshit. It's trivial to implement. Don't store my personal data. Done. Tell that to the dozens of engineers that spent months on GDPR compliance at my company. I personally spent two weeks making sure my systems had both export and deletion capability. These systems were engineered for soft delete data retention and maintaining change logs across writes. In several different databases. And offline data warehouses…

News outlets have relied on advertising to make their content accessible and still profitable since the 1830s[0]. It would be in immense industry shift to change from and advertising based model.

The GDPR also holds you liable for your outsourced work, which means that any ad network that serves a single malicious ad violating GDPR could make you violate the law. It’s a tough conflict.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_press

Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Post by rlpb »

inlined wrote: post #34
echelon wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Bullshit. It's trivial to implement. Don't store my personal data. Done. Tell that to the dozens of engineers that spent months on GDPR compliance at my company. I personally spent two weeks making sure my systems had both export and deletion capability. These systems were engineered for soft delete data retention and maintaining change logs across writes. In several different databases. And offline data warehouses…

News outlets have relied on advertising to make their content accessible and still profitable since the 1830s[0]. It would be in immense industry shift to change from and advertising based model. The GDPR also holds you liable for your outsourced work, which means that any ad network that serves a single malicious ad violating GDPR could make you violate the law. It’s a tough conflict. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/…

The GDPR does not prevent you from serving ads. The ads being served in the 1830s, for example, would not have been in violation of the GDPR had it been in force at the time.

Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Post by kube-system »

raverbashing wrote: post #22
echelon wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of the many viable options US companies have for dealing with EU traffic. GDPR compliance can be extremely expensive to implement, especially for complex software comprised of thousands of microservices that handle customer data. And imagine working in an industry where data retention is legally mandated by other jurisdictions... I'm not saying GDPR is bad (I'm all in favor!), but the costs can be quite l…

> GDPR compliance can be extremely expensive to implement I always find this argument a bit skewed. Yes, it is expensive if your site has more js than content and if your business model is to overtrack and overprofile your readers On the other hand a static page is GDPR compliant. Doesn't seem to be too expensive to implement.

A static page is very cheap to implement, if the implementation has no other context.

Large organizations have implementation costs and considerations outside of IT, however.

I’m sure they could also change their revenue model, but that costs exponentially more than just changing the website to be a static page.

Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Post by rlpb »

sagebird wrote: post #27
rlpb wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> GDPR compliance can be extremely expensive to implement... Bullshit. It's trivial to implement. Don't store my personal data. Done. It may be extremely expensive to store and process my personal data and remain GDPR compliant, if you insist on doing that. And admittedly it may be expensive to store and process others' personal data while excluding EU citizens from that mechanism. But the blanket statement "GDPR com…

It is not trivial for publishers who have years of adding advertising and analytics tools to their website to come up with a strategy for peeling these back or checking compliance. If I had a blog, it would be easy for me to check and decide what to remove or modify. But being part of an organization means that most of the shit on a publisher’s network is a manager’s baby project and is going to require meetings, ego…

> It is not trivial for publishers who have years of adding advertising, advertisement and analytics tools to their website to come up with a strategy for peeling these back or checking compliance.

Correct. I did cover this when I said, in the post you are replying to: "...admittedly it may be expensive to store and process others' personal data while excluding EU citizens from that mechanism"

Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Post by tass »

Spixel wrote: post #2

451: Unavailable due to legal reasons We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore access cannot be granted at this time. For any issues, contact web@tulsaworld.com or call 918-581-8300.

Does this kind of action actually absolve them of GDPR responsibilities?

If an EU citizen/resident/etc accessed the site from a country that’s not blocked, or via VPN, are they unable to ask for their information or have it scrubbed?

What if a person later becomes an EU citizen?

What if they are a dual citizen?

I don’t understand how these geo blockers are able to make anyone compliant.

Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Post by Nextgrid »

wetpaws wrote: post #26
raverbashing wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> GDPR compliance can be extremely expensive to implement I always find this argument a bit skewed. Yes, it is expensive if your site has more js than content and if your business model is to overtrack and overprofile your readers On the other hand a static page is GDPR compliant. Doesn't seem to be too expensive to implement.

Their site, their rules

Being in your house and under your rules doesn’t give you the right to break the law.

Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Post by jimmaswell »

echelon wrote: post #13
Spixel wrote: post #2

451: Unavailable due to legal reasons We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore access cannot be granted at this time. For any issues, contact web@tulsaworld.com or call 918-581-8300.

This is one of the many viable options US companies have for dealing with EU traffic. GDPR compliance can be extremely expensive to implement, especially for complex software comprised of thousands of microservices that handle customer data. And imagine working in an industry where data retention is legally mandated by other jurisdictions... I'm not saying GDPR is bad (I'm all in favor!), but the costs can be quite l…

I think all of Europe's wacky internet laws are bad. Literally nobody except maybe Richard Stallman was pining for websites to need cookie popups and need affirmative consent to log their IP address.
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