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How Fiat Chrysler’s Proposed Merger With Renault Crashed

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Re: How Fiat Chrysler’s Proposed Merger With Renault Crashed

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Post by bluedino »

tyingq wrote: post #6
nxoxn wrote: post #5

The merger may have helped the companies technologically but from my naive perspective it seems like what each of the companies need more than anything is a stronger QA department. From what I hear about Renault they are a little shoddy and I know from personal experience the level of quality from Jeep/dodge/ram/Chrysler. Also, typically most companies only want to buy Jeep when looking at FCA because it’s the real m…

"Typically most companies only want Jeep when looking at FCA because it’s the real money maker from what I hear" The Ram trucks are 3rd behind Ford and Chevy in sales, but only very slightly behind Chevy. And way ahead of number 4, Toyota trucks. I imagine that's attractive also.

RAM is ahead of Chevy now but still behind Chevrolet+GMC

Re: How Fiat Chrysler’s Proposed Merger With Renault Crashed

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Post by rjsw »

sl1ck731 wrote: post #17
seszett wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cars usually have both at the same time. I rarely use it but I can see the appeal of a speed limiter for people who don't pay much attention to their speed but just want to be sure they don't get flashed by a speed cam.

Is this outside of NA? I've never seen this feature in the US.

I have both on my European Ford, not used the limiter though.

Re: How Fiat Chrysler’s Proposed Merger With Renault Crashed

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Post by coredog64 »

nimbius wrote: post #7

Disclosure: im an automotive mechanic for a chain of midwest shops. Chrysler has been the "frat boy on probation" for nearly 40 years now. Renault was wise to reconsider what they would get. wind back the clock to Daimler Chrysler and youll see there was nothing but mistrust from the start. German execs wanted an inroad into an american market segment that their luxury brands couldnt target at the time, and Chrysler…

Renault did a deal with AMC/Jeep/Eagle in the late 80s. The Renault 21 was initially imported as the Renault Medallion and then renamed as the Eagle Medallion.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_Medallion

Re: How Fiat Chrysler’s Proposed Merger With Renault Crashed

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Post by ritonlajoie »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #26
sl1ck731 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this outside of NA? I've never seen this feature in the US.

I don't think it's an option except in special cases or on company vehicles and large transport trucks

After 3 speed traps you'd loose your locense in France. License costs around 1k€, that's why the speed limiter is probably popular in France

Re: How Fiat Chrysler’s Proposed Merger With Renault Crashed

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

petre wrote: post #13
Shivetya wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fiat got Chrysler to get Ram and Jeep. Ram took off very well and recently had landed many accolades for their trucks. Jeep turned around nicely but has seen a slide for the last few quarters but has a solid foundation of vehicles to include their first PHEV and pickup. Chrysler/Dodge are mostly sustained by their minivans. Chrysler/Dodge was the first of the American brands to ditch sedans. Ford and GM followed. Cha…

These models won't sell well in former Warsaw Pact states. Most of them are in the EU now and fuel is quite expensive. People in those states buy mainly used German cars, mainly diesels, plus cheap domestic cars (Dacia and Skoda) and French cars (Renault and PSA brands). They'd probably sell in North Africa and maybe the Arabic peninsula but that's debatable. The Emiratis are so well off that their police drives Lamb…

Jeep was one of the first car manufacturers in China, Jeep does well there already, although its brand has definitely been waning in the last 10 years.

Re: How Fiat Chrysler’s Proposed Merger With Renault Crashed

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Post by netsharc »

sl1ck731 wrote: post #17
seszett wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cars usually have both at the same time. I rarely use it but I can see the appeal of a speed limiter for people who don't pay much attention to their speed but just want to be sure they don't get flashed by a speed cam.

Is this outside of NA? I've never seen this feature in the US.

I have seen them on BMWs. Quite fun, you can put pedal to the metal but the car wouldn't go above what you set the limit to. It certainly helped while cruising Munich in a DriveNow (car-sharing service) BMW.

Re: How Fiat Chrysler’s Proposed Merger With Renault Crashed

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Post by Camillo »

Theodores wrote: post #30

Although Renault have joint ventures and plenty of operations around the globe they are part owned by the French government and that government are keen to hold on to their auto sector. Their sector is different to what the German marques chase on the international stage, however, French cars are very popular in France. Whatever government is in Paris they are obligated to defend the French auto sector, they would be…

> Meanwhile, what does FIAT make in Italy these days?

Quite a bit, it turns out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Fiat_Group_assembly_si...

Re: How Fiat Chrysler’s Proposed Merger With Renault Crashed

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Post by petre »

gsnedders wrote: post #25
petre wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These models won't sell well in former Warsaw Pact states. Most of them are in the EU now and fuel is quite expensive. People in those states buy mainly used German cars, mainly diesels, plus cheap domestic cars (Dacia and Skoda) and French cars (Renault and PSA brands). They'd probably sell in North Africa and maybe the Arabic peninsula but that's debatable. The Emiratis are so well off that their police drives Lamb…

> cheap domestic cars (Dacia and Skoda) (Owned by Renault and VW Group respectively, for those unfamiliar with those marquees.)

And built domestically or in Casablanca, Morocco. Skodas built in India, Russia or China are for those particular markets.

Re: How Fiat Chrysler’s Proposed Merger With Renault Crashed

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Post by Intimatik »

petre wrote: post #13
Shivetya wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fiat got Chrysler to get Ram and Jeep. Ram took off very well and recently had landed many accolades for their trucks. Jeep turned around nicely but has seen a slide for the last few quarters but has a solid foundation of vehicles to include their first PHEV and pickup. Chrysler/Dodge are mostly sustained by their minivans. Chrysler/Dodge was the first of the American brands to ditch sedans. Ford and GM followed. Cha…

These models won't sell well in former Warsaw Pact states. Most of them are in the EU now and fuel is quite expensive. People in those states buy mainly used German cars, mainly diesels, plus cheap domestic cars (Dacia and Skoda) and French cars (Renault and PSA brands). They'd probably sell in North Africa and maybe the Arabic peninsula but that's debatable. The Emiratis are so well off that their police drives Lamb…

I live in a post Warsaw Pact state. The most popular car maker here is Toyota with Corolla as the most popular model. I think I don't need to explain why.

The gas is not cheap here in comparison with Russia and Belarus, but is waaay cheaper than what it costs in the eurozone States with the exception of Germany (diesel is also cheap in Spain btw).

Challenger/Charger/Mustang is mostly popular with rich kids who are spending their parents money on gas.

I own a Scion and love it, though had to import car parts from Russia as Scions were never sold in the EU and Russians get used Japanese cars almost for free. Scions are normal Japanese Toyotas with a steering wheel on the left side.

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