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Re: Clip shows misinformation still has a home on Facebook

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Post by kadendogthing »

ekianjo wrote: post #29
kadendogthing wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> most large media groups are propaganda tools for their own political side No, most "large media groups" are not.

I'd welcome an example if you can find a media group that's neutral and factual about everything they cover.

NPR, BBC, Reuters, PBS, C-SPAN. You may have also heard of the Associated Press.

You know what would be REALLY neat? Like it'd absolutely tickle my pickle? For people trying to blandly "both sides" this to provide substantial evidence this is an endemic, inherit problem and that's it not really just one side who consistently misrepresents scientific and civic issues? Because even if you take the claim at face value, there is clearly a very appreciable gap in how these biases are applied and used.

This style of rhetoric and view point is irritating to see and engage with, because it's just cynicism masquerading as wisdom or insight, and it completely stifles constructive progress around these subjects.

Re: Clip shows misinformation still has a home on Facebook

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Post by ThrowawayR2 »

wbronitsky wrote: post #24
abootstrapper wrote: post #15

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This is not biased news. It is absolutely fake being passed as true. Not Donald Trump’s definition of fake (news you don’t like), but actually not factual. The two are not equivalent. Pizza gate is not real, the earth is not flat, vaccines do not cause autism. These and other false claims are being passed off as facts by a few bad actors and propagated through fake accounts to sow discontent. It’s working, and it has…

It is always deeply ironic to me that unpopular sentiments about censorship are routinely censored on HN (the parent post is getting downvoted, which is censorship here)

It might be more accurately thought of as teaching the pro-censorship side a lesson about the consequences of their own principles. Surely those who advocate the deplatforming of bad ideas, of all people, have no right to protest when the public decides their views are bad ideas and deplatforms them?

Re: Clip shows misinformation still has a home on Facebook

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Post by egman_ekki »

ekianjo wrote: post #12
golemotron wrote: post #10

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And what do we do about propaganda that we don't see as propaganda because it reinforces our view of the world. "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" translates to "one person's information is another person's propaganda."

It's an insolvable problem, I think, and censorship is certainly not the right way to approach it. I may be wrong, but I believe a combination of 1) severe distrust of any form of media, 2) a healthy dose of criticism, 3) a wide range of sources of information, can somewhat help to reduce the issue. 1) and 2) require proper education, and 3) is about having a healthy journalistic landscape (i.e. lots of viewpoints an…

How do you suppose one should function, if one approaches every single sentence of every published news (which I think includes research as well) as being possibly untrue (which, I assume, is what's meant by severe distrust)? If there are no credible sources, how can you know anything about this world with any degree of certainty, then?

Re: Clip shows misinformation still has a home on Facebook

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Post by [deleted] »

ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #32
wbronitsky wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is always deeply ironic to me that unpopular sentiments about censorship are routinely censored on HN (the parent post is getting downvoted, which is censorship here)

It might be more accurately thought of as teaching the pro-censorship side a lesson about the consequences of their own principles. Surely those who advocate the deplatforming of bad ideas, of all people, have no right to protest when the public decides their views are bad ideas and deplatforms them?

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Re: Clip shows misinformation still has a home on Facebook

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Post by abootstrapper »

ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #32
wbronitsky wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is always deeply ironic to me that unpopular sentiments about censorship are routinely censored on HN (the parent post is getting downvoted, which is censorship here)

It might be more accurately thought of as teaching the pro-censorship side a lesson about the consequences of their own principles. Surely those who advocate the deplatforming of bad ideas, of all people, have no right to protest when the public decides their views are bad ideas and deplatforms them?

Or whomever has the most fake accounts wins.

Re: Clip shows misinformation still has a home on Facebook

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Post by ajross »

ekianjo wrote: post #30
ajross wrote: post #20

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Sorry, do you have an example of a "large media group" "selectively editing" a video to make someone look drunk for the purposes of propaganda? Anything equivalent? This sounds like a clever attempt to "both sides do it" a way out of actually admitting that this video and its pushing by a bunch of partisans (right up to and including the office of the President of the United States) was awful. You agree this is awful…

> "selectively editing" a video to make someone look drunk No, I don't have anything that specific in mind, but there's enough examples even in recent history of "selective editing" clearly aimed at taking people down, out of context. And yes, let me say it again, "on both sides". This is probably driven by the fact that outrage brings views, and views bring money + influence to such media groups, and then it's just…

So, all sides do it except only one side actually did it but you're pretty sure the other side did too because you personally believe they'd want to so therefore it must have happened ... ?

Re: Clip shows misinformation still has a home on Facebook

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Post by insickness »

ajross wrote: post #20
ekianjo wrote: post #5

> Misrepresented occurrences such as this are used to energise lies that have bubbled around in the far reaches of the internet for a while, waiting for their moment. You don't need to wait for the Internet, most large media groups are propaganda tools for their own political side. No need to do any "deep fake", "selective editing" is all that's needed to take things out of context and publish a different narrative b…

Sorry, do you have an example of a "large media group" "selectively editing" a video to make someone look drunk for the purposes of propaganda? Anything equivalent? This sounds like a clever attempt to "both sides do it" a way out of actually admitting that this video and its pushing by a bunch of partisans (right up to and including the office of the President of the United States) was awful. You agree this is awful…

> Sorry, do you have an example of a "large media group" "selectively editing" a video

You don't have to look too far to see large media groups selectively editing videos, or at least choosing to not display portions of video that exonerate someone. Nicholas Sandmann, the MAGA-hat wearing teen, was said to be part of a group confronting a Native American protester. When you look at the full video, it was the Native American who was confrontational. He walked over into the middle of the group rather than the group confronting him.

Re: Clip shows misinformation still has a home on Facebook

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Post by kadendogthing »

insickness wrote: post #37
ajross wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, do you have an example of a "large media group" "selectively editing" a video to make someone look drunk for the purposes of propaganda? Anything equivalent? This sounds like a clever attempt to "both sides do it" a way out of actually admitting that this video and its pushing by a bunch of partisans (right up to and including the office of the President of the United States) was awful. You agree this is awful…

> Sorry, do you have an example of a "large media group" "selectively editing" a video You don't have to look too far to see large media groups selectively editing videos, or at least choosing to not display portions of video that exonerate someone. Nicholas Sandmann, the MAGA-hat wearing teen, was said to be part of a group confronting a Native American protester. When you look at the full video, it was the Native A…

>When you look at the full video, it was the Native American who was confrontational.

Absolutely false.

This was a group of students who were using their free time to protest the reproductive rights of others, and in the midst of doing this did incredibly racist stuff to a Native American protester who was merely trying to keep balance of peace in these stressful engagements.

There is direct video evidence of students

* Shouting "go back to Africa"

* Doing the tomahawk chop

* Harassing other (even white) groups of women (https://twitter.com/roflinds/status/1087486166939680768)

All in a situation where they greatly outnumbered these people in the first place, and all of them wearing MAGA hats.

Basically your post is either extremely dishonest or ignorant about the actual facts. Not only does all available video evidence most definitely not exonerate the group, it puts them squarely right where people initially pegged them, and on top of all that no point is the Native American being the confrontational one.

Re: Clip shows misinformation still has a home on Facebook

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Post by [deleted] »

kadendogthing wrote: post #38
insickness wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sorry, do you have an example of a "large media group" "selectively editing" a video You don't have to look too far to see large media groups selectively editing videos, or at least choosing to not display portions of video that exonerate someone. Nicholas Sandmann, the MAGA-hat wearing teen, was said to be part of a group confronting a Native American protester. When you look at the full video, it was the Native A…

>When you look at the full video, it was the Native American who was confrontational. Absolutely false. This was a group of students who were using their free time to protest the reproductive rights of others, and in the midst of doing this did incredibly racist stuff to a Native American protester who was merely trying to keep balance of peace in these stressful engagements. There is direct video evidence of student…

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Re: Clip shows misinformation still has a home on Facebook

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Post by insickness »

kadendogthing wrote: post #38
insickness wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sorry, do you have an example of a "large media group" "selectively editing" a video You don't have to look too far to see large media groups selectively editing videos, or at least choosing to not display portions of video that exonerate someone. Nicholas Sandmann, the MAGA-hat wearing teen, was said to be part of a group confronting a Native American protester. When you look at the full video, it was the Native A…

>When you look at the full video, it was the Native American who was confrontational. Absolutely false. This was a group of students who were using their free time to protest the reproductive rights of others, and in the midst of doing this did incredibly racist stuff to a Native American protester who was merely trying to keep balance of peace in these stressful engagements. There is direct video evidence of student…

He walked up to them. They did not walk up to him. Therefore he was being the aggressive one, end of story.

> This was a group of students who were using their free time to protest

Because you disagree with what they were protesting, they had no right to be there? Absolutely wrong.

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