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Clip shows misinformation still has a home on Facebook

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Re: Clip shows misinformation still has a home on Facebook

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> Misrepresented occurrences such as this are used to energise lies that have bubbled around in the far reaches of the internet for a while, waiting for their moment. You don't need to wait for the Internet, most large media groups are propaganda tools for their own political side. No need to do any "deep fake", "selective editing" is all that's needed to take things out of context and publish a different narrative b…

And what do we do about propaganda that we don't see as propaganda because it reinforces our view of the world. "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" translates to "one person's information is another person's propaganda."

It's an insolvable problem, I think, and censorship is certainly not the right way to approach it. I may be wrong, but I believe a combination of 1) severe distrust of any form of media, 2) a healthy dose of criticism, 3) a wide range of sources of information, can somewhat help to reduce the issue. 1) and 2) require proper education, and 3) is about having a healthy journalistic landscape (i.e. lots of viewpoints and many ways to exchange them).

Re: Clip shows misinformation still has a home on Facebook

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I think it's not Facebook's responsibility to censor stuff on that's posted in their network but still: Whoever receives and watches this video on Facebook is engaged in right-wing groups/pages/circles and was unlikely to vote for Pelosi anyway. (I'm not American so I don't know who she is, I guess the continuation of Clinton?)

> (I'm not American so I don't know who she is, I guess the continuation of Clinton?)

She has represented San Francisco in the US congress since the late 80s, and has been in national democratic congressional leadership for about 20 years, so, legislative rather than executive.

For that same 20ish years Republicans have been trying to use her as a symbol of vilification in various media or campaign material, in my opinion it's all very over the top.

Re: Clip shows misinformation still has a home on Facebook

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I think it's not Facebook's responsibility to censor stuff on that's posted in their network but still: Whoever receives and watches this video on Facebook is engaged in right-wing groups/pages/circles and was unlikely to vote for Pelosi anyway. (I'm not American so I don't know who she is, I guess the continuation of Clinton?)

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Re: Clip shows misinformation still has a home on Facebook

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> Misrepresented occurrences such as this are used to energise lies that have bubbled around in the far reaches of the internet for a while, waiting for their moment. You don't need to wait for the Internet, most large media groups are propaganda tools for their own political side. No need to do any "deep fake", "selective editing" is all that's needed to take things out of context and publish a different narrative b…

This is not biased news. It is absolutely fake being passed as true. Not Donald Trump’s definition of fake (news you don’t like), but actually not factual. The two are not equivalent. Pizza gate is not real, the earth is not flat, vaccines do not cause autism. These and other false claims are being passed off as facts by a few bad actors and propagated through fake accounts to sow discontent. It’s working, and it has to stop. Facebook, Twitter, and other tech corporations have to put an end to this for the good of humanity, or humanity needs to put an end to these corporations.

Re: Clip shows misinformation still has a home on Facebook

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post #7

I think it's not Facebook's responsibility to censor stuff on that's posted in their network but still: Whoever receives and watches this video on Facebook is engaged in right-wing groups/pages/circles and was unlikely to vote for Pelosi anyway. (I'm not American so I don't know who she is, I guess the continuation of Clinton?)

> (I'm not American so I don't know who she is, I guess the continuation of Clinton?) She has represented San Francisco in the US congress since the late 80s, and has been in national democratic congressional leadership for about 20 years, so, legislative rather than executive. For that same 20ish years Republicans have been trying to use her as a symbol of vilification in various media or campaign material, in my op…

> For that same 20ish years Republicans have been trying to use her as a symbol of vilification in various media or campaign material, in my opinion it's all very over the top.

Both sides are guilty of smear campaigns. One little flub or gaffe and a video taking it out of context will start circulating.

Just go to /r/politics if you want examples of the left smearing the right

Re: Clip shows misinformation still has a home on Facebook

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post #7

I think it's not Facebook's responsibility to censor stuff on that's posted in their network but still: Whoever receives and watches this video on Facebook is engaged in right-wing groups/pages/circles and was unlikely to vote for Pelosi anyway. (I'm not American so I don't know who she is, I guess the continuation of Clinton?)

Honestly, I believe it is facebook's job to censor.

They already tailor exactly what everyone sees on their feed. If they are going to decide exactly what people see, we can restrict exactly how they do that.

Re: Clip shows misinformation still has a home on Facebook

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post #7

I think it's not Facebook's responsibility to censor stuff on that's posted in their network but still: Whoever receives and watches this video on Facebook is engaged in right-wing groups/pages/circles and was unlikely to vote for Pelosi anyway. (I'm not American so I don't know who she is, I guess the continuation of Clinton?)

We know it is facebook's job to censor "stuff" because they already do it. Can you put a nude photo on facebook? No, because they censor it. They are already deciding what we get to see and what we don't.

Re: Clip shows misinformation still has a home on Facebook

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post #5

> Misrepresented occurrences such as this are used to energise lies that have bubbled around in the far reaches of the internet for a while, waiting for their moment. You don't need to wait for the Internet, most large media groups are propaganda tools for their own political side. No need to do any "deep fake", "selective editing" is all that's needed to take things out of context and publish a different narrative b…

Sorry, do you have an example of a "large media group" "selectively editing" a video to make someone look drunk for the purposes of propaganda? Anything equivalent?

This sounds like a clever attempt to "both sides do it" a way out of actually admitting that this video and its pushing by a bunch of partisans (right up to and including the office of the President of the United States) was awful.

You agree this is awful, right?

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