I find this fascinating. Maybe it's because I can read books, have been doing that since I was 4, and it never crossed my mind that my books weren't working. Apparently something must have happened with education or attention spans in the last 20 years, as pretty much all my peers could read books and had similar feelings about them as well before that. Sort of a PEBCAK issue. I can't use this resource (that people h…
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#32I used to believe this too until I was taught how to read a book, a skill that unfortunately is taken for granted and hasn’t made its way into curriculums. Reading “thinking fast thinking slow” should not take 8-9 hours... it could easily take 50 (after all, it represents many years and thousands of hours of work by the preeminent thinker on the subject). Scholars have spent a lifetime studying the Inferno. I am typi…
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#33I'll use math as an example since it's what I'm most familiar with. Sheldon Axler, the author of Linear Algebra Done Right, recently released a new textbook on measure theory and integration[1]. He makes the following comment in his preface to the student:
> If you zip through a page in less than an hour, you are probably going too fast.
I loved reading that because it's true, but also because most authors of math textbooks don't spell that out for students. I don't think Guns, Germs and Steel should take an hour per page, but my point is that nonfiction material should be actively engaged with, rather than passively "absorbed." When you passively read a chapter of a math textbook you'll almost certainly fail the exercises. On the other hand if you actively read the material, attempt proofs before reading the author's, investigate how many and which definitions can be removed before a proof fails, come up with your own questions, etc. then you will master the material.
I don't know how you'd do that for a non-technical nonfiction domain, but at it's core I suspect it would dramatically improve the efficiency of learning from books. Likewise, I consider it bad technique to take notes during a lecture. If your professor is implicitly encouraging this by making it so that you have no choice but to do so in order to learn the material (i.e. some material is not in the book or easily found elsewhere, or there is idiosyncratic style), then I also consider that poor form. In my opinion you can significantly improve the efficiency of lectures as a transmission medium by having students lightly read through the relevant sections before the lecture, then actively listen with their entire attention while sitting the lecture.
I also think it would be worthwhile to have lectures recorded and uploaded for a course so students can review material without needing to rely on the book. If you combine these two mediums in the way I've suggested, I really think there is not a whole lot of improvement left to do. There might be a fundamentally novel and strictly superior way of learning, but it's hard for me to see which cognitive bases aren't covered by combining these two methods.
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#34I used to believe this too until I was taught how to read a book, a skill that unfortunately is taken for granted and hasn’t made its way into curriculums. Reading “thinking fast thinking slow” should not take 8-9 hours... it could easily take 50 (after all, it represents many years and thousands of hours of work by the preeminent thinker on the subject). Scholars have spent a lifetime studying the Inferno. I am typi…
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#35I used to believe this too until I was taught how to read a book, a skill that unfortunately is taken for granted and hasn’t made its way into curriculums. Reading “thinking fast thinking slow” should not take 8-9 hours... it could easily take 50 (after all, it represents many years and thousands of hours of work by the preeminent thinker on the subject). Scholars have spent a lifetime studying the Inferno. I am typi…
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#36Pseudo-intellectual clickbait. I hate that I know this will get bazillion upvotes here simply because of phrases like "carefully-considered cognitive model at their foundation". > but the medium does have an implicit model No, it does not. There is no such thing as universal cognitive model "for books". Every writer has his own. That's why there are so many different structures and styles of presentation. That's why…
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
As long as its not vocal it should not interfere with his ability to read and process information of said reading.
That’s incorrect, any kind of stimulus takes away some attention.
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#38For many books you can just find summaries online, read/watch them and hardly loose anything compared to reading the whole book.
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#39I find this fascinating. Maybe it's because I can read books, have been doing that since I was 4, and it never crossed my mind that my books weren't working. Apparently something must have happened with education or attention spans in the last 20 years, as pretty much all my peers could read books and had similar feelings about them as well before that. Sort of a PEBCAK issue. I can't use this resource (that people h…
The author’s premise is faulty. Most deep learning requires spaced repetition and practice. One unmotivated reading without study is not enough. That’s why we go to university instead of merely queuing up a list of books. Most people understand this I believe.
That and the usual study techniques: you read the material once, read it again and underline the key material, maybe you write down a summary with that and/or a scheme, you memorise that a few times —possibly reading it aloud— and then you write it down in your own words.
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#40>as a medium, books are surprisingly bad at conveying knowledge, and readers mostly don’t realize it.
I posit it is not that books are bad at conveying knowledge, it is that people are bad at absorbing abstract knowledge they don't put to concrete use, and that people often read non-fiction books which have no practical application in their lives. A teenager in Africa can read a book on electronics and build a generator. He learned, because he employed what he read. A man can read a book a book about building a cabin and build a cabin.
Effete upper-middle-class desk-jockeys will happily read a treatise on particle physics or ethnography but are helpless to recall it a month later because the knowledge had no real impact on their lives and thus the brain cleaned house and threw it out.