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Re: Canada’s legal pot is going well

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Post by the-dude »

tluyben2 wrote: post #30
DanBC wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One of the rare people We have no idea of the prevalance of this kind of person. There's no research. (I am in favour of legalisation.)

I wonder how much data there is from countries where it has been legal for a long time, like the Netherlands. When I grew up it was as normal as normal smoking and drinking. Mushrooms were(and are, but they banned some of them I think) also legal but that was not very normal to use, at least not in my circles. All my friends and many of their parents smoked a spliff or 2 in the weekend. Same as they drank some beers.…

May I suggest 'non-enforcement' as a better translation of 'gedogen'?

Re: Canada’s legal pot is going well

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Post by DKnoll »

DanBC wrote: post #27
DKnoll wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's honestly hard to believe there were people who didn't smoke simply because it was illegal, even though getting charged for personal amounts of cannabis in the GTA was about as common as being struck by lightning. That said I applaud them. That's a very respectable level of restraint and community-mindedness (I swear that's a word).

> It's honestly hard to believe there were people who didn't smoke simply because it was illegal Yep, I agree. But we need to talk not just about what happens today, but what happens in the future. If cannabis is normalised and legally available will that increase the use of cannabis?

>If cannabis is normalised and legally available will that increase the use of cannabis?

I think use of cannabis will increase in Canada after legalisation and I doubt anybody will disagree or project a decrease. I think a bigger question is whether public opinion will continue to trend favourably in light of current medical knowledge which seems to think that cannabis causes less harm than alcohol thus making it a better way to waste time and/or ease general existential angst on the weekends.

While I don't think more people getting stoned is necessarily 'win' for Canadian society, I think if it diverts them from other more harmful forms of impairment (alcohol or 'hard' drugs) it probably is.

Re: Canada’s legal pot is going well

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Post by dugditches »

DKnoll wrote: post #26
gnulinux wrote: post #9

Legal pot is not going good anywhere around the world except very few places like Colorado. This is because politicians insist on not paying attention to scientific studies and keep doing irrational things. Look at Massachusetts, one of the first states to legalize cannabis, still handful of legal shops, only 1 in Boston area. What changed is now a few mega corps (US) or the government (Canada) are your drug dealers,…

>or the government (Canada) are your drug dealer The Canadian federal government does not sell cannabis. Some of the provincial governments do but not all. Many (I love that word) provinces, including Ontario, allow the private sector to sell cannabis with the correct license. >When alcohol and coffee are so normalized that people can consume these drugs even in workplaces, it's simply ridiculous how we treat weed, q…

Maybe Nicotine rather than Alcohol would have been better for his point.

But I'd still trust Joe to drive the forklift after a cup of coffee and cigarette than a drink and a doob.

Re: Canada’s legal pot is going well

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Post by forkLding »

DKnoll wrote: post #2

This doesn't echo public sentiment at all. Many are critical of the way implementation has happened, whether for or against (at least in Ontario, the most populous province and the one I base everything that follows on). Those who are 'for' are upset about the supply issues that have occurred with the legal supply being limited (long delays), more expensive and often poor quality (moldy). Those who are indifferent ar…

I would argue its too early to tell that things are going bad, the Cannabis Act was put in place on October 17th which is only 6 months ago.

Moreover, most retail stores in Ontario were given very short notice (~2-4 months) to build the stores and open up on April 1st couple weeks ago. I would say in a year or two, we would have likely forgotten about all this and will be having normal and regular deliveries via Canada Post like any other product.

https://www.thestar.com/news/cannabis/2019/03/18/will-ontari...

Re: Canada’s legal pot is going well

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Post by DKnoll »

dugditches wrote: post #33
DKnoll wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>or the government (Canada) are your drug dealer The Canadian federal government does not sell cannabis. Some of the provincial governments do but not all. Many (I love that word) provinces, including Ontario, allow the private sector to sell cannabis with the correct license. >When alcohol and coffee are so normalized that people can consume these drugs even in workplaces, it's simply ridiculous how we treat weed, q…

Maybe Nicotine rather than Alcohol would have been better for his point. But I'd still trust Joe to drive the forklift after a cup of coffee and cigarette than a drink and a doob.

Personally I would consider caffeine more impairing than nicotine but I don't think either are a big concern as far as impairment goes. Impairment on those substances is probably best handled in law with the same general, hand-wavey subsections as drinking too much water or eating too much Taco Bell.

Re: Canada’s legal pot is going well

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Post by kzcqt »

sjwright wrote: post #18
DKnoll wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's honestly hard to believe there were people who didn't smoke simply because it was illegal, even though getting charged for personal amounts of cannabis in the GTA was about as common as being struck by lightning. That said I applaud them. That's a very respectable level of restraint and community-mindedness (I swear that's a word).

The statistical reality isn’t operational for many people. Many people would not want to even begin to look for an underground supplier let alone deal with one. (I am in favour of legalisation.)

I would've liked to try some drugs, weed included, but I haven't because I don't have contacts and I don't want to deal with some lowlife who will probably scam me. If they made weed legal I would probably give it a spin, and maybe even get hooked, much to my own loss since I, as many other people, lack self-control.

(I am against legalisation; I don't live in Canada.)

Re: Canada’s legal pot is going well

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Post by _0ffh »

the-dude wrote: post #31
tluyben2 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how much data there is from countries where it has been legal for a long time, like the Netherlands. When I grew up it was as normal as normal smoking and drinking. Mushrooms were(and are, but they banned some of them I think) also legal but that was not very normal to use, at least not in my circles. All my friends and many of their parents smoked a spliff or 2 in the weekend. Same as they drank some beers.…

May I suggest 'non-enforcement' as a better translation of 'gedogen'?

Maybe "tolerated", that's what the analouge Word in German means.

Re: Canada’s legal pot is going well

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Post by hrktb »

DKnoll wrote: post #13
rocky1138 wrote: post #7

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I suspect this is some form of reverse survivor bias: the people who are happy with the service (like me) are not out on the streets cheering. It's fantastic, it's just not something that we talk about due to the stigma. I smoked exceedingly rarely before legalization (3 times in my entire life) and now I smoke often. I'm happy to pay the paltry prices for the amount of enjoyment I get from it, and I know that the we…

> I smoked exceedingly rarely before legalization (3 times in my entire life) and now I smoke often. You are the boogeyman to the people who oppose legalisation. One of the rare people who didn't smoke simply to obey the law and are now getting stoned because it's legal. :P I think the people who rarely smoked are the most happy, because they are not worried about a minor price increase but also appreciate the conven…

To your first point, I am really curious to see what we will discover once it is widely available.

Up until now it was mostly conjectures, and very biased observations only (not only because of preconceptions, but also because the smoking population was so fringe). Even if it ends up there’s tons of unpredicted critically bad side effects, at least we’ll be out of the boogyeman phase and will have solid evidence of what’s good and wvat’s bad.

Re: Canada’s legal pot is going well

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Post by dmurray »

the-dude wrote: post #31
tluyben2 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how much data there is from countries where it has been legal for a long time, like the Netherlands. When I grew up it was as normal as normal smoking and drinking. Mushrooms were(and are, but they banned some of them I think) also legal but that was not very normal to use, at least not in my circles. All my friends and many of their parents smoked a spliff or 2 in the weekend. Same as they drank some beers.…

May I suggest 'non-enforcement' as a better translation of 'gedogen'?

"Decriminalisation" is the usual term in English for the Netherlands legal policy on cannabis.

Re: Canada’s legal pot is going well

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Post by alanpetrel »

kzcqt wrote: post #36
sjwright wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The statistical reality isn’t operational for many people. Many people would not want to even begin to look for an underground supplier let alone deal with one. (I am in favour of legalisation.)

I would've liked to try some drugs, weed included, but I haven't because I don't have contacts and I don't want to deal with some lowlife who will probably scam me. If they made weed legal I would probably give it a spin, and maybe even get hooked, much to my own loss since I, as many other people, lack self-control. (I am against legalisation; I don't live in Canada.)

I wouldn’t call dealers lowlifes, they provide a valuable community service in more fascist countries like the U.K.
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