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MEPs accidentally vote wrong way on copyright law

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Re: MEPs accidentally vote wrong way on copyright law

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Easy solution, hold the vote again. Of course that won't happen.

i m not sure it would not pass again

The bill as a whole would definitely pass, but the specific issue (whether to vote on the link tax and update filter separately) passed by only five votes, and 13 people said they meant to vote the other way.

Whether either or both of those amendments would pass on a separate vote is unknown.

Re: MEPs accidentally vote wrong way on copyright law

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What a surprise. Politicians step out of their bubble to find out that people hate the laws their sponsors are pushing and try to backpedal.

Also, elections are coming. 23-26.5.2019. Their electorate remembers, and will send them packing.

Jokes' on the electorates. They probably don't even know who's representing them in the EU councils.

Re: MEPs accidentally vote wrong way on copyright law

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it was like this, then laws and regulations would have no real value and no authority whatsoever.

have you watched a video of how they vote? it's a complete joke, it goes so fast the interpreters can't keep up and people end up making constant mistakes https://youtu.be/zLh9DMuetm4?t=58

It always happens to make mistakes, I just don’t believe MEPs don’t care of the hot topic of the day every newspaper is writing about...

Re: MEPs accidentally vote wrong way on copyright law

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

i m not sure it would not pass again

The bill as a whole would definitely pass, but the specific issue (whether to vote on the link tax and update filter separately) passed by only five votes, and 13 people said they meant to vote the other way. Whether either or both of those amendments would pass on a separate vote is unknown.

there were also many people who were absent or "absent". they can easily be swung

Re: MEPs accidentally vote wrong way on copyright law

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I'm not a citizen of an EU member state. But from an outside perspective, a significant number of MEPs "accidentally voting the wrong way" seems to indicate a severe and systemic problem with the European Parliament.

Failure of one the fundamental mechanisms of representative democratic government calls into question the legitimacy of that government, and of that system of government.

This is ammunition for the advocates of illiberal systems.

Re: MEPs accidentally vote wrong way on copyright law

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

have you watched a video of how they vote? it's a complete joke, it goes so fast the interpreters can't keep up and people end up making constant mistakes https://youtu.be/zLh9DMuetm4?t=58

It always happens to make mistakes, I just don’t believe MEPs don’t care of the hot topic of the day every newspaper is writing about...

On the news channel I follow, at least three votes were highlighted (this one, one about adding a few countries to a list of tax havens, and one about ending the timezone switching).

Re: MEPs accidentally vote wrong way on copyright law

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It's not unlikely that at least some of them claim it was a mistake to avoid taking responsibility for their vote because they're aware of how unpopular it was. After being in parliament for at least ~5 years, it's hard to believe so many of them still haven't figured out how the voting works.

it's possible, but there are votes in different directions. It's also possible some just understood the question incorrectly or confused it with something else, not just "misclicked". Without knowing how often this happens in other votings it's hard to tell if this is unusual.

That would be i_am_proteus' point (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19504268).

Re: MEPs accidentally vote wrong way on copyright law

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https://europa.eu/european-union/eu-law/decision-making/proc...

It's a pretty arcane system with laws drafted by the (unelected) commissioners and the EU HCoJ and sometimes (as in this case) ratified by MEP's who all too often have little understanding of what they are voting on because they weren't involved early on in their creation.

Re: MEPs accidentally vote wrong way on copyright law

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I looked into this in a little more detail yesterday after the Techdirt article was posted. It's a lot harder to format nicely on HN, so see here [1] if you want the details, but it looks like the vote about amendments would have changed from:

Official vote: 312 for, 317 against, 24 abstained

Corrected votes: 320 for, 314 against, 20 abstained

It seems very rare to have that many corrections. Out of the 191 separate results in the voting record document, the only other one with more corrections was the actual vote on the directive right afterwards (but the corrections couldn't have flipped that one).

[1]: https://tildes.net/~tech/brp/europes_controversial_overhaul_...

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