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Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Post by seppin »

dade_ wrote: post #13
bassman9000 wrote: post #6

https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/huawei-threat-to-the-us... But Huawei is incredibly opaque – at least by Western standards. Ren’s still there (now about 70 years old) and still has veto power, but rarely makes public statements. He attributes Huawei’s success to collective leadership. That leadership? Huawei won’t say. National champions aren’t state-owned businesses, but they typically get market protection, fi…

Like Xerox? https://books.google.ca/books?id=KIEIX2X-na8C&pg=PA68&lpg=PA...

Is that a response or just a "hey look over here" ?

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Post by Leary »

beams_of_light wrote: post #7

I'm not sure which is more dangerous with regard to Huawei - their utter disrespect for intellectual property, or their subservience to a totalitarian government that is in continual digital warfare with the United States. Platitudes directed at the US are exactly that, and should be ignored.

Perhaps we'll not need to buy products from Huawei when the west catches up in 5G technology.

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Post by gonvaled »

Americans complaining about spying by other governments, even if true, would be the top of hypochresy.

It is so blatantly clear that the motivations to fight Huawei are mainly because of losing the technology race, that it is not even funny.

That the US pretends to dictate to free countries what they should buy or sanction (Iran) is not cool.

That the US complains about state intervention when its whole technology lead was built on state investment is funny.

That the US complains about technology stealing when it built its industrial base by stealing European technology is insufferable.

You know what? Just let the world be.

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Post by Aloha »

Leary wrote: post #32
beams_of_light wrote: post #7

I'm not sure which is more dangerous with regard to Huawei - their utter disrespect for intellectual property, or their subservience to a totalitarian government that is in continual digital warfare with the United States. Platitudes directed at the US are exactly that, and should be ignored.

Perhaps we'll not need to buy products from Huawei when the west catches up in 5G technology.

What 5G technology does Huawei have, that we do not already have?

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Post by dreamcompiler »

Huawei was created as a front organization for China's intelligence service. This has been known for years; long before the Iran deal. We know it and they deny it. That's how the game has always been played with respect to Huawei. Other Chinese companies like Lenovo have exhibited tendencies to spy, but AFAIK only Huawei originated as essentially an arm of the Chinese CIA. That's what makes Huawei different.

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Post by defen »

dade_ wrote: post #14

And Canada now has zero credibility here. Between a US created diplomatic crisis with China and our Liberal government being exposed by it's on Attorney General, China has been proven right. Our courts are still at the control of our corrupt PMO. https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/the-tories-passed-a-m... US/Canada human rights arguments arguments are pretty galling by a NA Aboriginal POV. I think the protester i…

> US/Canada human rights arguments arguments are pretty galling by a NA Aboriginal POV.

By this metric the US and Canada can never condemn other countries for human rights abuses. Bringing up wrongs committed hundreds of years ago is simply a distraction given what China is doing to the Uighurs.

> I think the protester in Tianemen square had more of a chance than the students in Kent State.

Somewhere between 500 - 2600 people were killed in Tiananmen square. No one knows the real number because no one is allowed to talk about it. You're really reaching here.

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Post by Leary »

Aloha wrote: post #34
Leary wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps we'll not need to buy products from Huawei when the west catches up in 5G technology.

What 5G technology does Huawei have, that we do not already have?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/where-china-dominates-in-5g-tec...

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Post by autokad »

eastWestMath wrote: post #21
dade_ wrote: post #14

And Canada now has zero credibility here. Between a US created diplomatic crisis with China and our Liberal government being exposed by it's on Attorney General, China has been proven right. Our courts are still at the control of our corrupt PMO. https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/the-tories-passed-a-m... US/Canada human rights arguments arguments are pretty galling by a NA Aboriginal POV. I think the protester i…

>I think the protester in Tianemen square had more of a chance than the students in Kent State. There was literally ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE more killed at Tianemen square.

I was curious to if this is true. but what does the data say? there were only 4 killed at kent, and anywhere between 1k-10k killed at Tianemen square. However, for 'more of a chance', you have to consider the denominator.

https://www.britannica.com/event/Tiananmen-Square-incident

from this, we get at least 1 million people at the protests, but I dont know how many in one day, etc, so this gets tricky.

from wikipedia, I believe there was about 2k at the kent protests. so 4/2000 ~ .002 and 5k (middle of 10k) you get about .005 - but this would vary a lot depending on what numbers you use.

to be pedantic (you did say literally), orders of magnitude would suggest a multiplier of at least 10, which it doesn't seem we have. Though I concede, who knows how many really died in the Tianemen protests. Kent is pretty well known, which does say something

edit: does say something about the freedoms we have in press

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Post by throwaway6oo »

threeseed wrote: post #25
torgian wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the States do the same thing. shrug Everyone is spying on eachother and we are not safe from that, despite what is said. I’m more afraid of the NSA having far reaching powers to spy on their own citizens than I am of China hacking into the NSA

Does the US have: (a) Social credit system which centres around facial recognition of the entire population ? (b) Reeducation camps where tens of millions of Muslims, Uyghurs, dissidents, journalists etc are sent to based on surveillance of their online activity ? (c) Free reign to do whatever they want unfettered by any judicial or political oversight mechanisms ? (d) Companies and the government stealing intellectu…

You are taking about things that you have inside USA (while conviniantly forgetting about Guatanamo bay, CIA transport planes,...). On the other side, USA is digitally spying on whole world for at least 40 years (search for Echelon). It was stated USA is doing it the same. Actually USA is far worse and I would gladly take Huawei network equip ment - over the time, chinese are becoming more trustworthy than USA.

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Post by crumbshot »

outlace wrote: post #28
torgian wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the States do the same thing. shrug Everyone is spying on eachother and we are not safe from that, despite what is said. I’m more afraid of the NSA having far reaching powers to spy on their own citizens than I am of China hacking into the NSA

We can argue about which country has the worst spying record, but there's a fundamental difference between a country where you can be imprisoned for years for merely sharing a web post that is critical of the government and one where you can stand in front of the White House with signs calling the president an idiot racist and nothing bad happens. Genuine rule of law and a truly independent judiciary make all the dif…

The US routinely makes a mockery of the rule of law, just look at all the people denied legal process, abducted and taken to black sites for torture during the 'War on Terror'.

The US is not some shining beacon of justice and fairness, it's just as corrupt and capricious as all the rest.

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