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Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Post by hnmonkey »

spamizbad wrote: post #5

I'm surprised how few free/open market advocates have come rushing to Huawei's defense. It seems everyone's caught the protectionism bug these days. Fact of the matter is they're being singled out not because of the their Iran dealings (Numerous US corporations have done this in the past and paid only modest fines), but at the behest of corporate lobbying efforts on the part of Huawei's competitors whose high margin…

You're stating that they're being singled out for just doing business and that businesses are just afraid of losing money. You seem to be ignoring the trade secret theft, IP theft, multiple intelligence agencies investigating them and stating that their hardware shouldn't be used, practically being an arm of the Chinese military intelligence, and probably more I'm forgetting. Seems like a very disingenuous argument to be making...

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Post by torgian »

beams_of_light wrote: post #7

I'm not sure which is more dangerous with regard to Huawei - their utter disrespect for intellectual property, or their subservience to a totalitarian government that is in continual digital warfare with the United States. Platitudes directed at the US are exactly that, and should be ignored.

And the States do the same thing. shrug

Everyone is spying on eachother and we are not safe from that, despite what is said. I’m more afraid of the NSA having far reaching powers to spy on their own citizens than I am of China hacking into the NSA

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Post by dade_ »

bassman9000 wrote: post #6

https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/huawei-threat-to-the-us... But Huawei is incredibly opaque – at least by Western standards. Ren’s still there (now about 70 years old) and still has veto power, but rarely makes public statements. He attributes Huawei’s success to collective leadership. That leadership? Huawei won’t say. National champions aren’t state-owned businesses, but they typically get market protection, fi…

Like Xerox?

https://books.google.ca/books?id=KIEIX2X-na8C&pg=PA68&lpg=PA...

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Post by dade_ »

And Canada now has zero credibility here. Between a US created diplomatic crisis with China and our Liberal government being exposed by it's on Attorney General, China has been proven right. Our courts are still at the control of our corrupt PMO. https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/the-tories-passed-a-m...

US/Canada human rights arguments arguments are pretty galling by a NA Aboriginal POV.

I think the protester in Tianemen square had more of a chance than the students in Kent State.

Kettle And pot are black as night.

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Post by bassman9000 »

dade_ wrote: post #13
bassman9000 wrote: post #6

https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/huawei-threat-to-the-us... But Huawei is incredibly opaque – at least by Western standards. Ren’s still there (now about 70 years old) and still has veto power, but rarely makes public statements. He attributes Huawei’s success to collective leadership. That leadership? Huawei won’t say. National champions aren’t state-owned businesses, but they typically get market protection, fi…

Like Xerox? https://books.google.ca/books?id=KIEIX2X-na8C&pg=PA68&lpg=PA...

Nice whataboutism you got there.

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Post by rodneyzeng »

spamizbad wrote: post #5

I'm surprised how few free/open market advocates have come rushing to Huawei's defense. It seems everyone's caught the protectionism bug these days. Fact of the matter is they're being singled out not because of the their Iran dealings (Numerous US corporations have done this in the past and paid only modest fines), but at the behest of corporate lobbying efforts on the part of Huawei's competitors whose high margin…

Huawei is singled out? No, Huawei is repsected as public benefit or national benefit in China. Listen to the new "public benefit" song "Huawei's beauty": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0tvr5ETVdE.

Huawei is never singled out - it is protected by Chinese government, supported by Chinese government and run by Chinese government. It is not open to the market.

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Post by Spooky23 »

dade_ wrote: post #13
bassman9000 wrote: post #6

https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/huawei-threat-to-the-us... But Huawei is incredibly opaque – at least by Western standards. Ren’s still there (now about 70 years old) and still has veto power, but rarely makes public statements. He attributes Huawei’s success to collective leadership. That leadership? Huawei won’t say. National champions aren’t state-owned businesses, but they typically get market protection, fi…

Like Xerox? https://books.google.ca/books?id=KIEIX2X-na8C&pg=PA68&lpg=PA...

Xerox owes its complete domination of print and document to its status as a US government protected company. Lol.

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Post by rqs »

> We build base stations in the harshest environments, like the Arctic Circle, the Sahara, rainforests in South America, and even on Mount Everest. In the wake of disasters like the tsunami in Indonesia, the nuclear disaster in Japan, and the massive earthquake in Chile, our employees were some of the first on the ground, working tirelessly to restore communications networks and support disaster relief.

Then, after your employees have done all that hard work, you just fire them and call them "mediocre"[0].

Hehe, this is the very reason of why I as a Chinese IT worker, refuse to pay my own money for any of their product.

[0] https://bgr.com/2019/01/21/huawei-layoffs-ceo-mediocre-emplo...

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Post by herewulf »

clouddrover wrote: post #9
phishfi wrote: post #2

I'm so torn with how to see Huawei. The dealings with Iran seem pretty cut and dry, and the laws in China are impossible for Huawei to ignore. On the other hand, their consumer products are very different from the commercial routing and telecommunication branches. Yet, the high level US government folks are being forced not to use the consumer products. Why aren't they being prohibited from using other Chinese consum…

> Why aren't they being prohibited from using other Chinese consumer electronics, like Lenovo, Xiaomi, etc? I suppose it depends which "approved devices" list you're using. If I look at the US Department of Defense's approved products list I see Korean brands like LG and Samsung but I don't see Lenovo or Xiaomi: https://aplits.disa.mil/processAPList.action

I've done some consulting for a company fulfilling a defense contract and they had to switch their entire desktop anti-virus solution because they were using foreign made software and DISA was not happy about it. The origin of hardware/software is very much a concern for the US gov't.

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Post by jake_the_third »

hnmonkey wrote: post #11
spamizbad wrote: post #5

I'm surprised how few free/open market advocates have come rushing to Huawei's defense. It seems everyone's caught the protectionism bug these days. Fact of the matter is they're being singled out not because of the their Iran dealings (Numerous US corporations have done this in the past and paid only modest fines), but at the behest of corporate lobbying efforts on the part of Huawei's competitors whose high margin…

You're stating that they're being singled out for just doing business and that businesses are just afraid of losing money. You seem to be ignoring the trade secret theft, IP theft, multiple intelligence agencies investigating them and stating that their hardware shouldn't be used, practically being an arm of the Chinese military intelligence, and probably more I'm forgetting. Seems like a very disingenuous argument t…

> multiple intelligence agencies investigating them and stating that their hardware shouldn't be used, practically being an arm of the Chinese military intelligence

Has anyone come forward with /any/ hard evidence that implicates huawei spying on their customers? This is my biggest gripe in this whole mess. The fact that no evidence has surfaced yet, despite how easily obtainable it would be for govs, indicates to me that that these accusations are motivated by geopolitics and have little to do with whether huawei customers are being spied upon or not.

As for disingenuity, I think that hurtling accusations at people without any sort of supporting evidence is what's disgustingly disingenuous.

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