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Ask HN: My lifetime mentor died. How to move on?

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Re: Ask HN: My lifetime mentor died. How to move on?

#31
I am SO sorry for your loss. I cannot even begin to understand or appreciate the gravity of what you have experienced.

In my humble opinion, the best thing you can do to put life back together, and honor your father's memory... is to mentor someone else.

Pay it forward, if you will.

This will cement the lessons he taught you, in your mind, and you will learn more through experience.

I would also venture to say that you will come up with wisdom of your own, as times goes on.

As much as it hurts, this experience of losing your father, and how you respond to it, in your life... will be part of makes you who you are.

If you ever need/want to talk, don't hesitate to drop me a line.

Re: Ask HN: My lifetime mentor died. How to move on?

#32
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1) Talk to a shrink. I'm not a big medication guy, so simply having an impartial, 3rd party can help. Plus, they know grief so they can help you find some strategies. 2) Channel your Father. I don't mean in some Psycho (movie) sort of way. I mean that likely without knowing it, you know what your father would have said for a long time. You could likely say "what would he have said" and have him there with you. Someti…

#3, I'm not sure I'm ready to be the mentor, I'm only 23... two years out of school, all spent building a business.

It doesn't need to be a full-time gig and age is inconsequential.

The idea here is two fold. First, get out and talk to people. Retreating into a cave is the single worst mistake that people make. Force yourself to get out there and talk to people.

It sounds like it might be good for you to go to a couple of local conferences / meetups in your area. Go to them regularly. Talk to people - convey your Father's advice. This way, you'll still feel connected to him.

There are likely people who will appreciate your advice. Talk individually with these people (coffee, whatever), maybe sit on a steering board - whatever works. The idea here is that in doing this, you will not only be "getting out of your cave", but you'll be helping (mentoring) others and making a bad situation (even a little bit) better by passing on this valuable advice.

Honestly though, this is the sort of stuff that a shink will help you with. Grief is 50% to 80% of a good shrink's job - you're not alone. They will be able to talk with you and give you waaaay better stuff than this to do.

Re: Ask HN: My lifetime mentor died. How to move on?

#33
When I was twelve, my father died. On my birthday. Needless to say this fucked me up; I closed up pretty much entirely and drifted through life for something like ten or fifteen years.

In some ways, I think nobody's truly dead until their last echo fades from history - when I have that moment of drawing and feeling like I'm totally channeling Jack Kirby, he lives again through me. What of your father still lives in you?

Make social contact; start to look for new anchors for who you are. You'll never find a replacement for him but you'll find someone who's just as interesting. Maybe they'll be a lover, maybe they'll be a new mentor. Maybe some of both. Put yourself in new situations.

Three months? I think you're still quite right to be grieving.

Re: Ask HN: My lifetime mentor died. How to move on?

#34
My father died very suddenly about a year ago. It came as a total shock - one day he was just gone. I walked around in a daze for a few months, and I'll admit that it was nearly six months before I started to get back on my feet.

This was one of the toughest things that has ever happened to me, and it definitely changed me. So here's what has helped me to recover

I think that the biggest thing that helps is time - losing a parent is a profound experience, and not one that you can easily cope with. There is really no way to prepare for it. I still think about my father nearly every day, and it's hard to believe that he's gone. But, as time has gone on, I've definitely managed to put it into some sort of perspective. I can't say that it is a positive experience, but I've learned to value the time I do have. My father was twice my age, so maybe I've used up half my time. I had better make that time count.

Another thing that helps is taking a break. It's fine to take a little bit of time for yourself to get things together. It's interesting to see how people respond to the death of a family member - a lot of people try to fill the hole by throwing themselves into a frenzy of activities. Eventually, though, you have to face yourself and make peace if you want to recover.

Finding stability in your life is also important. When my father died, I was working on a startup. The startup was on its last legs, but his death completely threw things off balance for me. I felt like I was floating for a long time, and decided that I needed to add some stability to my life. Just too many things were uncertain at the time, and I couldn't deal with that. About six months ago, I decided to take a job with a more established startup. I feel like adding some stability to my life has definitely helped to put things back to normal. This was kind of the last thing on my mind for several years before that, but in this particular case, I think that it helped me to recover.

Finally, I think it's important to talk about it with people. I'm sure that you have friends who have lost parents - talk to them about the experience. If you have siblings, talk to them. You will find out that a lot of what's going through your head is stuff that everyone experiences. I wish that I had done more of this - I feel like I kind of shut down and didn't really want to talk about it for a while. If you need to (and maybe if you don't think you need do), seek out professional help. They are trained to help people who have been through this sort of experience.

Re: Ask HN: My lifetime mentor died. How to move on?

#36

My condolences. I can think of two pieces of advice, from my experience, that stand a chance of being helpful. (1) Don't expect yourself to respond differently from how you're responding. At various moments in a single day you may be miserable, numb, and surprisingly cheerful. None of these is the wrong response, especially when the loss is so fresh. If you're still feeling perpetually distraught in two years, talk t…

"(2) Get used to the fact that this event will place a layer of friction...." wow, thank you for that. If I had the ability, I'd vote this up.

Re: Ask HN: My lifetime mentor died. How to move on?

#37
post #12

1) Talk to a shrink. I'm not a big medication guy, so simply having an impartial, 3rd party can help. Plus, they know grief so they can help you find some strategies. 2) Channel your Father. I don't mean in some Psycho (movie) sort of way. I mean that likely without knowing it, you know what your father would have said for a long time. You could likely say "what would he have said" and have him there with you. Someti…

I cannot stress #1 enough. Don't depend on your remaining loved ones to be your shrink. They're not. You'll risk damaging your relationship with them when you expect them to be.

Re: Ask HN: My lifetime mentor died. How to move on?

#38

My condolences. I can think of two pieces of advice, from my experience, that stand a chance of being helpful. (1) Don't expect yourself to respond differently from how you're responding. At various moments in a single day you may be miserable, numb, and surprisingly cheerful. None of these is the wrong response, especially when the loss is so fresh. If you're still feeling perpetually distraught in two years, talk t…

"(2) Get used to the fact that this event will place a layer of friction...." wow, thank you for that. If I had the ability, I'd vote this up.

I'm glad it was helpful.

Re: Ask HN: My lifetime mentor died. How to move on?

#39

Build something he would be proud of.

That is exactly what I came to this link to add. Kudos. My only other advice: if you still need a mentor, find someone who you can get an hour or two a week from. You probably still do need advice, but it sounds like you're pretty grounded.

I know its a lot to ask, but how would I go about finding a mentor? I wonder if a mentor might be more helpful than a shrink....

Re: Ask HN: My lifetime mentor died. How to move on?

#40
When my dad died I felt as though I was at sea without a compass. I came to see that fundamentally we only know what we know and that we are responsible for the ship (our lives) regardless of what we know about navigation (if anything). Usually experience shows us that we only think we know, but there is a pretty long list of things that generally work that we can learn about. The loss I feel is that the trusted navigator I used to ask when I couldn't tell where my ship was going isn't there anymore, and he can't be replaced. He used to say "do the best you can, that's as much as any of us can do". Navigating as best I can honors him and pulls me together at the low points. Letting the vessel go adrift doesn't help anyone. He's been gone a few years now. I don't know that my life will ever be "back together again". It just goes on changing, and for now, I go on with it.
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