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Re: Diaspora: Hello and a big welcome to everyone arriving from Google+

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Post by thecatspaw »

raverbashing wrote: post #26
znaji wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no free speech in Germany, so chances are that someone will say something on Diaspora that the government of Germany won't like. Then, if the owner of Diaspora refuses to delete the "illegal" post, he will be thrown in jail, so he doesn't really have a chance not to censor whatever the government forces him to censor.

People can't say 'fuck' on tv in the US or say 'fire' in a crowded theatre so I guess there's no free speech there as well And don't get me started on the puritanism

the fire one makes sense though. You're not neccessarily directly forbidden from shouting fire, you're forbidden from creating mass panic which can lead to injuries and death

Re: Diaspora: Hello and a big welcome to everyone arriving from Google+

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Post by tecleandor »

ForHackernews wrote: post #2

How does Diaspora compare to Mastodon? My naive impression is that Mastodon is a decentralized Twitter clone and Diaspora tries to be a nonprofit Facebook. Is that correct?

Diaspora is to Mastodon as FB is to TW.

Basically, a decentraliced "Facebook like" app.

Re: Diaspora: Hello and a big welcome to everyone arriving from Google+

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Post by w4tson »

throwaway8879 wrote: post #21
DandyDev wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“where there is no right to free speech“ Yes, there is. At least in my experience as a happy EU citizen. So want to cut the hyperbole and substantiate your claim?

Are you allowed to deny the Holocaust?

Sure. UK crackpot David Irving has been denying the holocaust since the 80s. There’s a drama on Netflix about him called Denial

Re: Diaspora: Hello and a big welcome to everyone arriving from Google+

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Post by 9712263 »

The most successful decentralized communication system - email as it turned out, people would concentrated to large free provider like Google. Decentralized server does not protect privacy for normal user because not most people could handle owning their server.

The most success decentralized service is BitTorrent. It is decentralized and it is decentralized in client level. Though it also caused uncontrollable piracy, since it is too easy to spread any data using Bittorrent. I think a true decentralized social network to protect privacy should be a p2p app, not server to server federation.

Re: Diaspora: Hello and a big welcome to everyone arriving from Google+

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Post by raverbashing »

thecatspaw wrote: post #31
raverbashing wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People can't say 'fuck' on tv in the US or say 'fire' in a crowded theatre so I guess there's no free speech there as well And don't get me started on the puritanism

the fire one makes sense though. You're not neccessarily directly forbidden from shouting fire, you're forbidden from creating mass panic which can lead to injuries and death

Of course it does, I'm just pointing out the 'free speech' people's complaints are not much based on practicality.

Re: Diaspora: Hello and a big welcome to everyone arriving from Google+

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Post by tecleandor »

znaji wrote: post #7
thiago_fm wrote: post #6

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What does it have to do with living in Germany? I live in Berlin and we have the most vibrant community of privacy, security etc I've ever seen.

I am not happy with these new services because they are all hosted in the EU where there is no right to free speech, so to me they are not an improvement over what they are supposed to replace.

I won't entering the troll feeding game, but basically:

It doesn't matter, Diaspora is decentralized. You can host your own instance. You can enter an instance _living_ in your country of choice.

Re: Diaspora: Hello and a big welcome to everyone arriving from Google+

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Post by vanderZwan »

seszett wrote: post #20
thiago_fm wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does it have to do with living in Germany? I live in Berlin and we have the most vibrant community of privacy, security etc I've ever seen.

> What does it have to do with living in Germany? Americans are often "horrified" at free speech in Germany because glorifying Nazis and terrorists is forbidden there (as in France and a handful other European countries). My take is that this platform at least probably allows posting pictures with nipples, unlike most US-based services.

EDIT: As pointed out below, I probably misread the intent of the comment I was replying to as its exact opposite (because I thought the user was the same as GP). If so my apologies.

So you're saying a country that censors Nazis but not nudity has crazier stances on free speech than one that censors nudity but not Nazis?

Ever heard of the paradox of tolerance?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Re: Diaspora: Hello and a big welcome to everyone arriving from Google+

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Post by DandyDev »

throwaway8879 wrote: post #21
DandyDev wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“where there is no right to free speech“ Yes, there is. At least in my experience as a happy EU citizen. So want to cut the hyperbole and substantiate your claim?

Are you allowed to deny the Holocaust?

No, most EU countries have laws in some form that prohibit Holocaust denial. But as with any country that has the rights to freedom of speech, these rights are inevitably balanced and restricted by other laws.

This is a good thing, because while freedom of speech is important, the general wellbeing of the population and preventing people getting hurt is important as well. It is my belief for example that allowing racist remark under the banner of free speech, hurts more than it helps. It leads to an overall negative impact in the wellbeing of the population. I think the same balance was considered when prohibiting holocaust denial.

Question: why use a throwaway account?

Re: Diaspora: Hello and a big welcome to everyone arriving from Google+

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Post by ForHackernews »

9712263 wrote: post #34

The most successful decentralized communication system - email as it turned out, people would concentrated to large free provider like Google. Decentralized server does not protect privacy for normal user because not most people could handle owning their server. The most success decentralized service is BitTorrent. It is decentralized and it is decentralized in client level. Though it also caused uncontrollable pirac…

Maybe. But then there's a question of where does the content live? Most people don't have a desktop they leave connected all the time, and don't want to be hosting videos and photos off their mobile device.

So you're stuck with replicating that data out to all the peers, which means you've just lost control of "your" data again.

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