Who is the author?
The main author was Martijn Verburg, first listed in the signatures. I was involved in writing it too along with other Java Champions.
Java Is Still Free
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Re: Java Is Still Free
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Is original Java still alive? That's the question. Yes. Very much so. It's either the top or one of the top languages in pretty much every benchmark: https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2018#technology https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ https://githut.info/
there's more to it than that. let's take C#, as i find that interesting and a bit sad. C# had what seemed like huge mindshare around the 2.0 era. great tooling, sane language, great developer experience. of course it helped that Windows was still huge. now? it still exists, but i'm happy to bet it will never become that big again for various reasons (windows only for a long time, still windows-centric, sucky webdev +…
Both C# and Java have settled as very successful back end language. So your downsides don't really matter for end users.
Re: Java Is Still Free
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because Oracle is continuing to put a lot of R&D resources into Java and is generally not doing a terrible job with nice work around modernizing the language, contributing non trivial innovation around e.g. the Graal project, etc. Like them or not, Oracle is doing a lot of heavy lifting and most of it is released through Openjdk as 100% OSS under the GPL. So, neither IBM nor Red Hat have any big issues with the statu…
>>Oracle is doing a lot of heavy lifting and most of it is released through Openjdk as 100% OSS under the GPL. At some point they are going to want see some profits in return given how many Android phones are being sold. And needless to mention how much of world's software runs on Java today.
Oracle took over Java 8+ years ago.
Don't you think if they wanted to "see some profits" they might've done it already ?
Re: Java Is Still Free
#34Sure, MySQL is also still free. OpenOffice remained free until Oracle dumped it on Apache's doorstep. Neither product was ever under threat of becoming legally unfree. The problem is that people don't trust Oracle anymore. The developer community doesn't want to touch anything from Oracle with a 10-foot pole even if it's licensed under GPL. I haven't used enough Oracle products to judge whether this sentiment is just…
> The developer community doesn't want to touch anything from Oracle
Which developer community are you talking about ?
Because in the JVM community we like Oracle quite a bit since they have been surprisingly great at supporting the platform over the last decade. Actions speak louder than words you know.
Re: Java Is Still Free
#35Why don't the bigwigs like RedHat + IBM just fork it already ? Take OpenJDK , GPL the IBM runtime and slap some stupid coffee inspired nickname on it. People will trust that more than they trust Oracle anyway...
Because Oracle is continuing to put a lot of R&D resources into Java and is generally not doing a terrible job with nice work around modernizing the language, contributing non trivial innovation around e.g. the Graal project, etc. Like them or not, Oracle is doing a lot of heavy lifting and most of it is released through Openjdk as 100% OSS under the GPL. So, neither IBM nor Red Hat have any big issues with the statu…
Recent effort on the JVM (modules, type system) is indeed significant. Is it all Oracle or a partnership between many groups ?
Re: Java Is Still Free
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
>>Oracle is doing a lot of heavy lifting and most of it is released through Openjdk as 100% OSS under the GPL. At some point they are going to want see some profits in return given how many Android phones are being sold. And needless to mention how much of world's software runs on Java today.
Oracle took over Java 8+ years ago. Don't you think if they wanted to "see some profits" they might've done it already ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_America,_Inc._v._Google....
Oracle has sought upward of US$8.8 billion in damages due to the commercial success of the Android system.
Nothing wrong with it, of course. If a company wants customers to pay for their products, then they are right.
People just need to know before hand, than being sold on it as free, and then asked to pay $XK per installation box a few years down the lane.
Re: Java Is Still Free
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Is original Java still alive? That's the question. Yes. Very much so. It's either the top or one of the top languages in pretty much every benchmark: https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2018#technology https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ https://githut.info/
there's more to it than that. let's take C#, as i find that interesting and a bit sad. C# had what seemed like huge mindshare around the 2.0 era. great tooling, sane language, great developer experience. of course it helped that Windows was still huge. now? it still exists, but i'm happy to bet it will never become that big again for various reasons (windows only for a long time, still windows-centric, sucky webdev +…
Reading your comment is honestly like going back in time.
Where are these client side Java apps ? I haven't seen one in the wild for years.
Re: Java Is Still Free
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because Oracle is continuing to put a lot of R&D resources into Java and is generally not doing a terrible job with nice work around modernizing the language, contributing non trivial innovation around e.g. the Graal project, etc. Like them or not, Oracle is doing a lot of heavy lifting and most of it is released through Openjdk as 100% OSS under the GPL. So, neither IBM nor Red Hat have any big issues with the statu…
>>Oracle is doing a lot of heavy lifting and most of it is released through Openjdk as 100% OSS under the GPL. At some point they are going to want see some profits in return given how many Android phones are being sold. And needless to mention how much of world's software runs on Java today.
Oracle has been selling Java support for a long time, they do have a profit. They just did some rebranding to distinguish between paid Oracle Java and free Oracle OpenJDK build. Probably it helps them to sell more support subscriptions, but it doesn't change anything really, if you want free Java, it's still there and it's still as good.
Re: Java Is Still Free
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oracle took over Java 8+ years ago. Don't you think if they wanted to "see some profits" they might've done it already ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_America,_Inc._v._Google... . Oracle has sought upward of US$8.8 billion in damages due to the commercial success of the Android system. Nothing wrong with it, of course. If a company wants customers to pay for their products, then they are right. People just need to know before hand, than being sold on it as free, and then asked to pay $XK per installation box a few years down the…
BTW, Microsoft has already extracted billions from Android due to litigation or threats of litigation over patents.
Re: Java Is Still Free
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oracle took over Java 8+ years ago. Don't you think if they wanted to "see some profits" they might've done it already ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_America,_Inc._v._Google... . Oracle has sought upward of US$8.8 billion in damages due to the commercial success of the Android system. Nothing wrong with it, of course. If a company wants customers to pay for their products, then they are right. People just need to know before hand, than being sold on it as free, and then asked to pay $XK per installation box a few years down the…
While I don't agree with their tactics, Google was - by their own word - not using Java. This lawsuit has really nothing to do with people using OpenJDK/Oracle Java.