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Re: Java Is Still Free

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Post by baybal2 »

Is original Java still alive? That's the question.

Yes, the whole AP CS curriculum is based on it, Google's Java can somehow be called its continuation. But despite of all of that, the overall feel is that Java's development and developer scene is rather morbid.

>The developer community doesn't want to touch anything from Oracle with a 10-foot pole even if it's licensed under GPL.

Yes, that's exactly the case here. Oracle pigeonholed Java back into the category of "corporate software stuff" language, just as it was getting close to being called a normal programming language

Re: Java Is Still Free

#12

Post by chrisseaton »

mariusmg wrote: post #10

Why don't the bigwigs like RedHat + IBM just fork it already ? Take OpenJDK , GPL the IBM runtime and slap some stupid coffee inspired nickname on it. People will trust that more than they trust Oracle anyway...

Do they have the expertise and mass to maintain the whole of the JVM and add new functionality? They have tiny VM teams and labs compared to Oracle.

Re: Java Is Still Free

#13

Post by amelius »

mariusmg wrote: post #10

Why don't the bigwigs like RedHat + IBM just fork it already ? Take OpenJDK , GPL the IBM runtime and slap some stupid coffee inspired nickname on it. People will trust that more than they trust Oracle anyway...

Last time somebody copied the API there was a lawsuit.

Re: Java Is Still Free

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Post by afroboy »

mariusmg wrote: post #10

Why don't the bigwigs like RedHat + IBM just fork it already ? Take OpenJDK , GPL the IBM runtime and slap some stupid coffee inspired nickname on it. People will trust that more than they trust Oracle anyway...

Do you know what happen last time someone forked Java? Ask Microsoft.

Re: Java Is Still Free

#15

Post by [deleted] »

chrisseaton wrote: post #12
mariusmg wrote: post #10

Why don't the bigwigs like RedHat + IBM just fork it already ? Take OpenJDK , GPL the IBM runtime and slap some stupid coffee inspired nickname on it. People will trust that more than they trust Oracle anyway...

Do they have the expertise and mass to maintain the whole of the JVM and add new functionality? They have tiny VM teams and labs compared to Oracle.

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Re: Java Is Still Free

#16

Post by mda »

afroboy wrote: post #14
mariusmg wrote: post #10

Why don't the bigwigs like RedHat + IBM just fork it already ? Take OpenJDK , GPL the IBM runtime and slap some stupid coffee inspired nickname on it. People will trust that more than they trust Oracle anyway...

Do you know what happen last time someone forked Java? Ask Microsoft.

Java was not open source at the time. It is possible to fork now.

Re: Java Is Still Free

#17

Post by maltalex »

baybal2 wrote: post #11

Is original Java still alive? That's the question. Yes, the whole AP CS curriculum is based on it, Google's Java can somehow be called its continuation. But despite of all of that, the overall feel is that Java's development and developer scene is rather morbid. >The developer community doesn't want to touch anything from Oracle with a 10-foot pole even if it's licensed under GPL. Yes, that's exactly the case here. O…

> Is original Java still alive? That's the question.

Yes. Very much so. It's either the top or one of the top languages in pretty much every benchmark:

https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2018#technology

https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/

https://githut.info/

Re: Java Is Still Free

#18

Post by Oowee1Ee »

mariusmg wrote: post #10

Why don't the bigwigs like RedHat + IBM just fork it already ? Take OpenJDK , GPL the IBM runtime and slap some stupid coffee inspired nickname on it. People will trust that more than they trust Oracle anyway...

Why should they? Java development is more open now than it has ever been and non-oracle entities have already taken on larger roles than before. To me it looks like things are working.

Re: Java Is Still Free

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Post by the_clarence »

baybal2 wrote: post #11

Is original Java still alive? That's the question. Yes, the whole AP CS curriculum is based on it, Google's Java can somehow be called its continuation. But despite of all of that, the overall feel is that Java's development and developer scene is rather morbid. >The developer community doesn't want to touch anything from Oracle with a 10-foot pole even if it's licensed under GPL. Yes, that's exactly the case here. O…

It's definitely not the trendy language anymore. We still have a lot of it because of legacy products and a generation trained on it mostly. But new languages are objectively better and getting adopted at a faster rate than ever. What young programer wants to write java nowadays? When you have Golang, Rust, Swift, Python, etc.

Re: Java Is Still Free

#20

Post by filomeno »

mariusmg wrote: post #10

Why don't the bigwigs like RedHat + IBM just fork it already ? Take OpenJDK , GPL the IBM runtime and slap some stupid coffee inspired nickname on it. People will trust that more than they trust Oracle anyway...

Why should they fork an open, actively maintained project like OpenJDK? It would only create incompatibilities between them.
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