Election Silence just before an polling is an interesting idea too.
Bill to ban bots impersonating people for telemarketing and influencing election
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
They are illegal in the UK too, but the law doesn't stop calls coming in from abroad or from marketing companies routing through throwaway UK SIP providers. I'd just like to see phone companies made to have a free option where customers can turn off all calls from unidentifiable/withheld numbers. That would be easy to implement and stop a lot of the problem.
I never answer a call if the number is not saved on my phone. If it's truly important leave a voicemail, I will get back to you if I have to.
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
The people who developed democracy never accounted for the weapons grade marketing and persuasion we are capable of today.
They never accounted for flat earthers, but no amount persuasion or marketing is going to change my mind. Stupid is as stupid does.
Anyways, I always read the flat earth argument as an exercise in rhetoric. From that perspective the outrage over it speaks volumes.
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#34This is a great start. Election Silence just before an polling is an interesting idea too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_silence
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#35bill to ban bots xD... and then suddenly the ability to identify them consistently and correctly apears out of the blue <3
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#36I'm all for this...but can we just ban telemarketing entirely? Why is that even allowed? I've always thought that the law should be written such that telemarketing is legal, but if you engage in it, it is no longer illegal to murder you. You can do it, but you lose your murder protection.
It’s also illegal to robodial any number on the Do Not Call list, but unlike the TCPA, there is a carve out for political campaigning. Thanks, Congress!
Of course, neither does much good when the laws are nearly impossible to enforce. Thanks to caller ID spoofing, it’s usually impossible to tell who actually called you, so good luck collecting damages.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
I never answer a call if the number is not saved on my phone. If it's truly important leave a voicemail, I will get back to you if I have to.
I was referring to landlines but yes, on mobile, I agree entirely. The more recent Android dialer correctly identifies spam most times.
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#39To play robot devil's advocate... the future dystopia probably isn't a campaign driven by a fear of AI, but driven by a fear of programming in general, and skepticism towards anyone who is able to automate tasks and do things more efficiently.
We all know the early history of the loom that birthed programmable machines, and how the community fought to destroy the machines.
People were displaced from jobs, and that drove them in part. But people also get angry when anyone points out to them that there is an easier way to do something they've been doing the hard way. It's a well known psychological phenomenon known as "effort justification."
Look at the post from yesterday full of stories of people being able to automate their job. When middle management found out, sometimes there was gratitude, but most often the reaction was fear or anger, firing them for insubordination despite showing how the company could save money.
There's an 80s movie where Kevin Bacon is teaching a group of kids how to camp in the mountains. Sean Astin builds a fish trap after no one else can catch fish, comes back with plenty for everyone. Bacon throws the dozen fish away, saying he didn't deserve them and everyone should just go hungry.
It's dramatized, but we see that in real life. The idea that someone hired for data entry can have a more measurable impact on the company's bottom line after a week at the company than a manager can who has spent years climbing the rungs can be seen as a personal affront.
Why is there this gap in thinking about the world between people who look for clever shortcuts and people who support labor for labor's sake?
There's a famous intro to CS lecture that has been reposted here a few times here. In it, the professor talks about the process of computer science as a step beyond algebra, it's about thinking of forumlas of processes. Thinking about processes like variables that can be modified, or as having components and properties.
People who have tried programming a while often understand this intuitively, and people who haven't, don't.
If you understand that, you can see how trivial it is to replicate simple processes. You can see there's no functional difference between a society that makes these calls using silicon and a society that makes these calls using meat. Mechanical turk is just another black box. It seems obviously strange to make numbers illegal or place export controls on a dozen or so lines of easily memorized code. And it's really hard or impossible to explain these positions to people who don't see the world that way.
You may realize all that, but still find yourself upset at these robocalls. If that's the case, ask yourself what you're really upset about. Is it the method of the calls, or is it the calls themselves? Are you better off somehow if you are manually called at exactly the same rate with exactly the same scripts?
Banning the method mainly just reserves the technique for people who own a call center.
I see no reason to give that class of people additional power over everyone else.
I see no reason to scapegoat automation here and tell people it's acceptable to continue to fear programs.
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#40BTW I have always wondered why do only the major political parties and their allies ever use bots for political influence. Obviously, real geeks could do much better at this if they would want and there probably are many gray/black hat hackers that would probably not hesitate for just moral/legal reasons but there still seems to be no bots that would try to influence something like the votes on net neutrality, ACTA/S…
Why do you think that "real geeks" aren't involved in existing influence campaigns?