Women have no contributions irrespective of how much noise you make. Many are better suited at home cooking and cleaning.
If you want flames, you'll have to do a better job at sounding reasonable. Downvotes are free, though.
Don't feed the trolls ;)
A MeToo Reckoning in China’s Workplace Amid Wave of Accusations
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#32Didn't women play a substantial role in the Cultural Revolution? Such as Jiang Qing and Nie Yuanzi?
I think most Chinese people would blame Mao for the CR, not women...
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure. But maybe it has something to do with the evolution of gender equality in China? That is, maybe reaction against the Cultural Revolution and the Red Guards has reinforced male dominance? Baggage aside, the current Chinese government seems more Confucian than Communist.
> maybe it has something to do with the evolution of gender equality in China? Women played prominent roles in many revolutions. That didn’t stop the resulting societies from developing depraved sexism. This is a problem many civilisations have faced and solved. Looking for uniquely Chinese causes is a goose chase.
It's arguably not that China has developed "depraved sexism". I mean, foot binding!
Edit: My point is that perhaps evolution of gender equality since the 1949 Chinese Revolution got derailed somehow.
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#34Having worked in several Chinese tech co's, this is not in the least surprising to me. In one company I worked in, the CEO used the girls in the office like his personal harem. Women are hired based on looks and age, and whether they are married or not. The one surprising thing, to me, is that the accusations are gaining traction, which is good to hear.
If the traction is informationally contained to enemies of those in positions of power, that would be pretty insincere, but if they let it happen and managed to create a new standard for how people in power should act in private-- that would be good news.
That was my first reaction as well, that this could end up in line with Xi's crackdown on corruption. As the article mentions, censors are silencing some discussions, but I wouldn't be surprised if censors let through and amplify those speaking out against abusers who also happen to be critical of Xi's government.
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#35#MeToo this, #MeToo that. #MeToo is irrelevant when compared to the Rotherham and Telford child rape gangs, yet, hardly anyone knows about them. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28934963 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-shropshire-43385049
Why not both?
That would be fine, I'm just pointing out the rape gangs dwarf the magnitude of harm MeToo uncovered, yet public exposure of MeToo dwarfs the public exposure of the rape gangs
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
> maybe it has something to do with the evolution of gender equality in China? Women played prominent roles in many revolutions. That didn’t stop the resulting societies from developing depraved sexism. This is a problem many civilisations have faced and solved. Looking for uniquely Chinese causes is a goose chase.
It's arguably not that China has developed "depraved sexism". I mean, foot binding! Edit: My point is that perhaps evolution of gender equality since the 1949 Chinese Revolution got derailed somehow.
> I mean, foot binding!
One could probably find mid-century American housewives who would bind their feet if it meant their husbands would stop legally raping them. Point is, we outlawed that behaviour and allowed it to be debated. China’s dictatorship doesn’t seem to be doing that.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure. But maybe it has something to do with the evolution of gender equality in China? That is, maybe reaction against the Cultural Revolution and the Red Guards has reinforced male dominance? Baggage aside, the current Chinese government seems more Confucian than Communist.
Isn't it better to see it from the perspective of 'people in power can be sinful', rather than 'because there were some female leaders early on in a (highly propagandistic) movement then they most be on the side of women? Even still, there are many women who harbor men with bad behavior for personal gain.
What I'm wondering is whether the Red Guards -- notwithstanding all the horrible stuff -- were less sexist and more egalitarian than the norm today.
I have no clue. I'm not Chinese, or lived there, or even studied China carefully. And maybe I'm too influenced by Cixin Liu's "Remembrance of Earth's Past" trilogy.
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#38Having worked in several Chinese tech co's, this is not in the least surprising to me. In one company I worked in, the CEO used the girls in the office like his personal harem. Women are hired based on looks and age, and whether they are married or not. The one surprising thing, to me, is that the accusations are gaining traction, which is good to hear.
If the traction is informationally contained to enemies of those in positions of power, that would be pretty insincere, but if they let it happen and managed to create a new standard for how people in power should act in private-- that would be good news.
I mean, if the accusations are true, then who cares who it hurts.
The injustice would be that OTHER people aren't being brought to justice, not that one group IS.
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#39It is a weird dynamic, from what I understand to China is pretty far behind (just needed a word here so I chose "behind") socially in that area. Sort of Me 2 meets mid 20th century attitudes in the US?
The US started mass employment of women in the late 1800s. It took until the 2010s for MeToo to be taken seriously. (And by seriously, I mean that there are consequences for such actions.) Given that China actively destroyed its culture during '49-'79, and then saw the fastest growth spurt of industrialization and services ever seen in human history, it's not surprising that they're playing massive catchup. The inter…
MeToo is far from the first time this stuff has had teeth in the US.
It’s more that you get waves of action, back lash, then build up for the next wave. Really you can trace US legislation back to the 70’s, but social progress is slow.
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#40Men (and women) who participate in abuse should be stripped of rank and flogged...