A MeToo Reckoning in China’s Workplace Amid Wave of Accusations

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Post by LopRabbit » Sat, Jul 28, 2018, 3:13 PM UTC

A MeToo Reckoning in China’s Workplace Amid Wave of Accusations
nytimes.com

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Post by rlglwx » Sat, Jul 28, 2018, 4:18 PM UTC

Having worked in several Chinese tech co's, this is not in the least surprising to me. In one company I worked in, the CEO used the girls in the office like his personal harem. Women are hired based on looks and age, and whether they are married or not.

The one surprising thing, to me, is that the accusations are gaining traction, which is good to hear.

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Post by extradego » Sat, Jul 28, 2018, 4:24 PM UTC

rlglwx wrote: post #2

Having worked in several Chinese tech co's, this is not in the least surprising to me. In one company I worked in, the CEO used the girls in the office like his personal harem. Women are hired based on looks and age, and whether they are married or not. The one surprising thing, to me, is that the accusations are gaining traction, which is good to hear.

Your example, like all the ones in America, reflects ultimately an abuse of power.

The (sensitive) males who were raised to respect women despite power relations, and do, are in for a rude awakening they’ll be helpless to defend against. Similar males with no power at all will suffer the most.

“One bad apple, get rid of them all” has been the #metoo trend in America; and the apples are the male gender, not abusers of power. Because we are culturally tuned to only reward power, this kind of thinking is all too easy. Wouldn’t this tendency probably be multitudes more engrained in China?

In the end, abuses of power remain king in the abstract, and I am not sure we should be so encouraging.

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Post by duxup » Sat, Jul 28, 2018, 4:34 PM UTC

It is a weird dynamic, from what I understand to China is pretty far behind (just needed a word here so I chose "behind") socially in that area. Sort of Me 2 meets mid 20th century attitudes in the US?

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Post by dmritard96 » Sat, Jul 28, 2018, 4:50 PM UTC

I have spent a good amount of time in the mainland as a foreigner. The way that men talk about women, particularly in professional settings, is decades behind imho. KTV alone - I have heard some pretty terribls sounding stories there as well although have been lucky to only have gone to the normal ktv. A simple example is booth babes at tech shows. In the US, general consensus is that this is exploitive. In China it seems quite normative.

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Post by Twirrim » Sat, Jul 28, 2018, 4:58 PM UTC

dmritard96 wrote: post #5

I have spent a good amount of time in the mainland as a foreigner. The way that men talk about women, particularly in professional settings, is decades behind imho. KTV alone - I have heard some pretty terribls sounding stories there as well although have been lucky to only have gone to the normal ktv. A simple example is booth babes at tech shows. In the US, general consensus is that this is exploitive. In China it…

> In the US, general consensus is that this is exploitive. In China it seems quite normative.

We're not that great about it in the US either. It's still an issue that people are having to fight, repeatedly. The US is definitely getting better, but it's far from solved.

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Post by mirimir » Sat, Jul 28, 2018, 5:15 PM UTC

Didn't women play a substantial role in the Cultural Revolution? Such as Jiang Qing and Nie Yuanzi?

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Post by maym86 » Sat, Jul 28, 2018, 5:16 PM UTC

mirimir wrote: post #7

Didn't women play a substantial role in the Cultural Revolution? Such as Jiang Qing and Nie Yuanzi?

What's that got to do with modern workplace sexual harassment.

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Post by mirimir » Sat, Jul 28, 2018, 5:18 PM UTC

maym86 wrote: post #8

mirimir wrote: post #7

Didn't women play a substantial role in the Cultural Revolution? Such as Jiang Qing and Nie Yuanzi?

What's that got to do with modern workplace sexual harassment.

I'm not sure.

But maybe it has something to do with the evolution of gender equality in China? That is, maybe reaction against the Cultural Revolution and the Red Guards has reinforced male dominance?

Baggage aside, the current Chinese government seems more Confucian than Communist.

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Post by baobaobo » Sat, Jul 28, 2018, 5:31 PM UTC

Stupid American think that world thinks like them. Nobody gives a fuck about you cucks. Chong women are there so men feel better and not have to bear sjws and curry indian women.