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Melatonin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Re: Melatonin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Post by spraak »

droopyEyelids wrote: post #26
elchief wrote: post #14

I used to suffer terrible sleep until recently. Always exhausted in the morning. Sore all over. Missed meetings, or called in sick some days. Would wake up around 11 if I could Now I can wake up around 630 am, lift weights, do HIIT, and be early to work Melatonin wakes me up in the middle of the night. I take Unisom (Doxylamine) as well. Works pretty well in combination I have blackout curtains but I need some light…

Can you share any more details about your life?

It's hard to tell if you're being snarky/sarcastic or sincere

Re: Melatonin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Post by yosito »

I'm reading HN because I have insomnia after upping my Melatonin dose from 2.5mg to 5mg at the recommendation of my psychiatrist. I've never had the early morning jolt of energy until the last couple of days. Maybe I'll drop my dosage down to 1.75mg tomorrow. That's about the lowest I can get with these 10mg pills.

Re: Melatonin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Post by maxxxxx »

jaequery wrote: post #30

anyone here tried breathing exercises to help with better sleep? i am noticing that at times when i am taking deep and slow breaths before sleeping, i have a dramatically higher quality sleep.

Breathing definitely helps me with sleeping and also in many other areas.

Re: Melatonin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Post by oceanghost »

megaman22 wrote: post #20

Melatonin doses of the standard distribution seem great for crazy fucking dreams, but little else. Drinking two Rolling Rocks or PBR distilleries is more effective;

I did this for a decade. If you drink or smoke pot to sleep you will slowly go mad. They suppress deep sleep.

Re: Melatonin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Post by robbiep »

colordrops wrote: post #27
atomical wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Joe Rogan is one of the biggest propagators of pseudoscience. It's not a good sign when a guest appears on his show. Joe usually tries to rope them into talking about his two favorite health topics: cholesterol and testosterone.

You must not listen to him recently. I've listened to maybe 15 episodes and haven't heard either of those yet. He's been a pretty level headed host. It could be that he's better than he used to be because I've only listened to recent episodes, but it's been great so far.

I haven't listened to a lot of Joe Rogan but from what I have listened (maybe last 6-7 episodes) and wearing my Dr hat I feel he fluctuates. He seems to walk a pretty level line but then occasionally drops things that are demonstrably false. More out of ignorance than malice I believe

Re: Melatonin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Post by philwelch »

yosito wrote: post #32

I'm reading HN because I have insomnia after upping my Melatonin dose from 2.5mg to 5mg at the recommendation of my psychiatrist. I've never had the early morning jolt of energy until the last couple of days. Maybe I'll drop my dosage down to 1.75mg tomorrow. That's about the lowest I can get with these 10mg pills.

1.75 mg is still almost an order of magnitude higher than the recommended dose of 300 micrograms. Throw your pills away and get these instead: https://www.amazon.com/Sundown-Naturals-Melatonin-300-Tablet...

Re: Melatonin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Post by wepple »

skadamat wrote: post #8

Every single person here, if your serious about diving into the science of sleep, should read Matthew Walker's book: Why We Sleep: https://www.amazon.com/Why-We-Sleep-Unlocking-Dreams/dp/1501... His interview on Joe Rogan is a good summary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwaWilO_Pig He covers everything from why we sleep (obv), naps, melatonin, etc. I've just finished it and really enjoyed it.

+1 was recommended to me a couple of weeks ago on HN. Most useful book I’ve read this year, easy.

Re: Melatonin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Post by qudat »

atomical wrote: post #16
skadamat wrote: post #8

Every single person here, if your serious about diving into the science of sleep, should read Matthew Walker's book: Why We Sleep: https://www.amazon.com/Why-We-Sleep-Unlocking-Dreams/dp/1501... His interview on Joe Rogan is a good summary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwaWilO_Pig He covers everything from why we sleep (obv), naps, melatonin, etc. I've just finished it and really enjoyed it.

Joe Rogan is one of the biggest propagators of pseudoscience. It's not a good sign when a guest appears on his show. Joe usually tries to rope them into talking about his two favorite health topics: cholesterol and testosterone.

I completely disagree, at the very least it is not intentional. He's interested in a lot of topics and explores a wide range of topics, he's not going to get everything right. What I will say is that he brings on a ton of interesting guests and they should not be judged because they participate in Joe's podcast.

> It's not a good sign when a guest appears on his show

Why does this matter? I find this line of reasoning corrosive and hypo-critical. Each guest should be judged on the basis of their merits, character, not who they choose to have a conversation with.

Re: Melatonin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Post by ericd »

papa_bear wrote: post #19
anonytrary wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think he did mean .5mg since 500ug is .5mg. Still, I'm a bit confused. The bottles I get come in doses of 10mg, I can't imagine taking even just two or three of them in a single night! On the other hand, I'd think 1/20th of my pill (.5mg) would be way too little. After reading this relevant paraphrase from the article: > There have been few studies on sighted young people. One finds that 1 mg works but 0.3 mg doesn…

It is strange. I take the Trader Joe’s brand as well and even half of a 500mcg pill is enough for me, and sometimes feels as effective as a a 3mg of 5mg pill from a different brand. Not sure what to make of it, other than maybe all I need is a placebo.

I've found the same thing.

Re: Melatonin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Post by taeric »

Are there statistics somewhere on how many folks use an alarm clock? Every time I think I have a sleeping problem, I'm always harshly reminded of how different my sleeping habits are by virtue of the fact that I have never used an alarm clock. Something that it seems near universal among everyone else. (Though, I suspect it is just something everyone talks about. Hypothesis being that I'm in the majority, but there is just nothing to say about not using one.)
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