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Re: Ask HN: Explain to non-techies what you do: Programmer? Developer? Engineer?

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Programmer. Works every time. No one has ever asked me to explain what it means.

My biggest pet peeve, which perhaps is my own bias is that when someone says "programmer", I take it that they pretty much know how to use an if statement, loops, call functions, but that's it. You can hire people on Rentacoder and elance with that skillset for I guess "programmer" doesn't capture the bulk of the value of someone with a computer science background. But maybe there's my problem. Non-techies probably equate CS with just programming anyways.

Re: Ask HN: Explain to non-techies what you do: Programmer? Developer? Engineer?

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Visitors to this country are often surprised to find that Americans like to begin a conversation by asking "what do you do?" I've never liked this question. I've rarely had a neat answer to it. But I think I have finally solved the problem. Now, when someone asks me what I do, I look them straight in the eye and say "I'm designing a new dialect of Lisp." I recommend this answer to anyone who doesn't like being asked…

The usual opening question in Ireland is "where are you from", and it's similarly awkward to answer for me (I'm not really from anywhere specific). If you're a foreigner in Ireland, the follow-up question is often "when are you going back?" - not intended in a xenophobic sense, but rather an assumption that one wouldn't want to leave one's home area for the rest of your life. But I'm not sure there really are better…

I grew up around reservations in the northern plain states of the US. The opening question tends to be some variant of "Who are your relatives?". It can be quite uncomfortable if there is / was some dispute between relatives of theirs and yours.

Re: Ask HN: Explain to non-techies what you do: Programmer? Developer? Engineer?

#33
By the time the career question comes up I have already asked them about theirs, shared with them what I know about it, and "thought out loud" about what I think is most difficult/interesting/new about their industry, that they think I am a peer or an insider.

We all know something about every industry and every line of work, or at least have the interest to inquire about it (if not for anything else, because we're completely ignorant of it.)

Share what you know, show interest, and shut up.

Allow people to see you under their own favorite lights. If you can hold a conversation with a scientist just fine, no need to tell him you're an entrepreneur. And if a business man likes your management acumen and eye for the market, no need to call yourself a code-monkey. You're all of the above, but keep the conversation at their pace, ask questions from most general to more specific, and let them categorize you through the course of a mutually comforting conversation.

This is why you don't jump into an elevator pitch with everyone you meet, just because you got an idea and a GoDaddy domain.

Re: Ask HN: Explain to non-techies what you do: Programmer? Developer? Engineer?

#34
post #4

Depends who I'm talking to. If its someone at college (say, at a party), I say that I play with my iPhone all day. If they ask for clarification, that I make iPhone applications. Usually at this point, whoever I'm talking to will say something like "So you write stuff on the computer for the iPhone?" and I nod. The alternative is usually "Software Engineer" or "iPhone Developer", depending on where I am and how speci…

Whenever I mention I work on iPhone apps, the person I talk to always has an amazing idea for an app, and thinks I should write it for them.

Re: Ask HN: Explain to non-techies what you do: Programmer? Developer? Engineer?

#35

A related question I struggle with - how to explain to other people how qualified you are? You and I could both say we "know" Java but there's probably a big difference there. It's really hard without showing them your work.

When non-techies ask what you do, they are probably not trying to determine if you're qualified to build a CRM system for them.

and if they are non-techies, they by definition don't know how to tell a qualified vs unqualified techie anyways :/

Re: Ask HN: Explain to non-techies what you do: Programmer? Developer? Engineer?

#37
post #7

Programmer. Works every time. No one has ever asked me to explain what it means.

Then again though it sounds like you're shutting down the conversation when people ask - that's probably not good.

Depends who is asking. I have discovered that in many social situations, people don't really want an elaboration or know details. It's a "friendly" question and they want to try to relate. Perhaps with a followup like "my friend works on computers", "like apps on the iPhone?", or "oh, wow, I never got into all that tech stuff."

If they're actually interested and want to hear more, they'll follow up more detailed questions.

I'm pretty sure it's the same for anyone with specialised/deep skills.

Re: Ask HN: Explain to non-techies what you do: Programmer? Developer? Engineer?

#38
I'm a PHP Dev, but to non-tech's i say Web Developer, they often come back with "Oh so you design websites?", to which i say no, since i cant design for shit.

I always explain it as, theres a pretty part of the website that everyone sees and the clever bit of the website that no one sees, i do the clever bit. Which usually satisfies their curiosity, since they then probably think its very boring, which i suppose it is to them.

Without fail though, pretty much everyone assumes i can fix their printer etc...

Re: Ask HN: Explain to non-techies what you do: Programmer? Developer? Engineer?

#39
post #28

I always say 'Software Developer'. If you say, 'Computer Programmer' then they picture someone tinkering with computers, if you say 'Developer' or 'Engineer' they don't know it's anything to do with computers or software. What really annoys me, is when people respond with 'Oh right, I.T.' or 'I have a friend who does I.T. too, yeah he fixes computers at... ' - I personally see being a 'Software Developer' as a far hi…

> What really annoys me, is when people respond with 'Oh right, I.T.' or 'I have a friend who does I.T. too, yeah he fixes computers at... ' You shouldn't let this get to you. These people are just trying to relate to you based on this new information. To someone outside an industry, most people in it can appear to do the same thing. Just think: how many types of airplane mechanics/portrait artists/theoretical physic…

I understand this. I just smile when they make the comparison, after all at least they are caring enough to ask and listen.

- On a similar note, the word 'Hacker' on this forum, generally refers to someone who lives and breathes code. However, outside of this community many refer to the term 'Hacker' as being a malicious person.

Therefore, whenever I have mentioned the 'Hacker News' community to anyone in my profession they usually look at me as if I've just admitted to partaking in criminal activities. Perhaps it's just a British thing?

Re: Ask HN: Explain to non-techies what you do: Programmer? Developer? Engineer?

#40
I sit in a a beige cubicle at a computer, and I type. Mostly I write computer code. In the afternoon I drink a lot of coffee to keep me from nodding off. Sometimes I talk on the phone or answer e-mails, other times I train people to use the software that we make.

When I am asked at a party, I put more emphasis on what the software that I work on does than what I do at work.

Programmers are literally minded, we often assume that we must actually answer the questions that people ask us. This is not correct. When someone engages you in smalltalk, they are asking you to tell a story. It doesn't even have to be a true story... (although outright lying is probably ill advised.)

Giving a job title or generic description is painfully dull.

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