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90-minute ‘super commutes’ more common as Bay Area housing shortage intensifies

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Re: 90-minute ‘super commutes’ more common as Bay Area housing shortage intensifies

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Wouldn't this be a prime target for new mass transit options?

Yes, but I would put housing density above mass transit in efficacy.

I think many of the people making these huge commutes don't want dense housing, they want a big house with a yard and a garage.

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Is it not possible to do hub-and-spoke with buses? That would cut the commute drastically without any infrastructure required. Buy the buses, find the optimum routes and go.

Aren’t busses going to contribute to the problem? A city close to mine wants to extended the light rail a few miles to do hub and spoke.

I would think a tunnel or railway alongside a highway would reduce traffic.

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The sad fact is that long as people are willing to put up with this nothing is going to change. The crazy rents and terrible commutes sound insane to anyone living elsewhere but people are continuously more than happy to continue doing them to work at companies that haven't been priced out yet either. It's not an issue of social mobility either, since people living in the bay area are some of the most socially mobile…

> it'll only stop when everyone says enough is enough and leaves

Or, alternatively, when enough people start voting in politicians who would allow building lots of new homes in central locations.

Manhattan has 3.9× the density of San Francisco. At Manhattan density, the City of San Francisco could house 2.5 million more people.

Re: 90-minute ‘super commutes’ more common as Bay Area housing shortage intensifies

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My old neighbor in SF and commutes to Cupertino for work. So many people in the company do it, that the company has set up a hotel where employees can sleep if they don't want to head back to SF. His girlfriend is not happy about that arrangement. Actually when I lived in SF, it took me over an hour to get to work in SOMA. We joke and call the outer Richmond the SF suburbs, because it takes as long to get to downtown…

I live in SF and worked at Apple. The commute was one of the reasons I left, and would be hesitant to work at another South Bay company.

Re: 90-minute ‘super commutes’ more common as Bay Area housing shortage intensifies

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A lot of companies have been moving to LA/SD recently for this reason. There are plenty of cities that offer more than the Bay Area without the NIMBY attitude toward building new housing.

unfortunately, I can assure you that NIMBYism is alive and well in LA too. Maybe not as bad as SF (I don't know how to compare), but even if that's true, unless regulation occurs this is just kicking the can down the road

Re: 90-minute ‘super commutes’ more common as Bay Area housing shortage intensifies

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The sad fact is that long as people are willing to put up with this nothing is going to change. The crazy rents and terrible commutes sound insane to anyone living elsewhere but people are continuously more than happy to continue doing them to work at companies that haven't been priced out yet either. It's not an issue of social mobility either, since people living in the bay area are some of the most socially mobile…

Very few places on the planet are as temperate and offer so many options to escape into nature as the Bay Area. I agree that something has to change, but trying to convince people that the only answer is to move away is a non-starter for the majority of the population, especially those who want to live here.

Re: 90-minute ‘super commutes’ more common as Bay Area housing shortage intensifies

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Is it not possible to do hub-and-spoke with buses? That would cut the commute drastically without any infrastructure required. Buy the buses, find the optimum routes and go.

Aren’t busses going to contribute to the problem? A city close to mine wants to extended the light rail a few miles to do hub and spoke. I would think a tunnel or railway alongside a highway would reduce traffic.

How would buses contribute to the problem? Assuming every person who takes the bus would otherwise drive, a single bus would wipe out dozens of cars on the roads.

Re: 90-minute ‘super commutes’ more common as Bay Area housing shortage intensifies

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Part of me is still trying to understand why the housing shortage in the Bay Area is so severe. I understand NIMBYism from the homeowner's perspective, but there are a lot of renters in the SF Bay.

SF is 63% renters, and should be able to outnumber NIMBY homeowners easily to have a lot more dense housing built. Alameda County is in 2nd place at 47% renters [1], so only a small percentage of homeowners need convincing that this housing shortage is bad for everyone in the long term.

[1] http://www.towncharts.com/California/Housing/Alameda-County-...

Re: 90-minute ‘super commutes’ more common as Bay Area housing shortage intensifies

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I commuted 90 minutes each way for a year (120 miles round trip) in SoCal. The time spent driving wasn't that bad; I spent that time listening to books on Audible. The problem was everything else that had to give because I was spending that time driving. I couldn't cook dinner or spend much time with friends. It was tough to stay after work or develop friendships with coworkers because we were so geographically separ…

I find longer commutes more tolerable if it's by mass transit, so long as you know you will have a seat. There are a lot of ways to be productive or enjoy your time, where as with a car, you are pretty much limited to audio. I see where you are coming from with the interpersonal stuff but at least you still have the weekend.

Re: 90-minute ‘super commutes’ more common as Bay Area housing shortage intensifies

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Oh, tech companies. If only there were a way to have conversations about, create, and transmit computer programs using some kind of long-distance network. Maybe we could break the data up into "packets". Just thinking out loud here. Then maybe everyone creating textual output for a living wouldn't have to transport their physical body to an office. We can dream.

There are companies out there that are fully remote (like my current employer https://www.sonatype.com/). Though I suppose many of them don't like to hire fresh graduates so you could be in a bit of a chicken/egg problem.
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