Well Facebook, if all of the other companies jumped off a bridge, would you do it too?
Saying "But they do it too!" is no defense. Though it does make the argument for stronger regulation.
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#32Hopefully, this starts a meaningful conversation about what other people are also doing. I am not a fan of Facebook but this might get the ball rolling on broader legislation similar to GDPR in US.
I really hope nothing remotely similar to gdpr is written into legislation in the US. I do not even know how I would get started writing a website that would adhere to GDPR requirements
Then you have no business with users data.
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Look, others are doing it too!"
Which was an argument of my kids when they were five. To which I replied then and I reply now, "That doesn't make it right."
This is rapidly becoming political and rule #1 in politics is “politics doesn’t have to be fair.”
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#34I personally don't really care about what information they collect. I do hugely care who they give that information to & what they do with it.
Haven't heard anything about Google wholesale handing all my data over to anybody who clicks a couple buttons to sign up to their developer program though.
I'm guessing Facebook has the technical expertise to allow 3rd parties to run aggregate (non identifying) queries on the consenting users' data on servers they control and only allowing certain aggregated data, as well as limiting the number and type of queries 3rd parties are running.
Guess it's easier to just let anybody have at it to prove how valuable their platform/data is.
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#35Hopefully, this starts a meaningful conversation about what other people are also doing. I am not a fan of Facebook but this might get the ball rolling on broader legislation similar to GDPR in US.
I really hope nothing remotely similar to gdpr is written into legislation in the US. I do not even know how I would get started writing a website that would adhere to GDPR requirements
So, on the one hand, I really would like a GDPR equivalent law in the US.
OTOH, anyone who says they clearly understand the implications of GDPR for their site has either spent a lot of money on lawyers or is lying. Let alone someone who has implemented it. Privacy by design requires deletion of data after legitimate interests and/or consent have expired, probably (!!!) in 3rd party systems. How, precisely, do you implement that?
Can you shadow-delete accounts for some period of time to allow users to change their minds? If no, what UI do you put on a "delete my account" button that has absolutely no undo, even in the 24h regrets period?
Do people have GDPR privacy rights over eg comments on YC that may mention them by nym?
Given the GDPR covers EU residents (not just citizens), as an American can I buy a plane ticket to Dublin and start requesting full data dumps? What rules are those provided to me under, and how do you make software that can do that?
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Under current administration? No.
I'm not so sure about that. The current administration can be kind of unpredictable (to understate it a little...), and this seems like exactly the combination of fuck-the-elitists and Trumpian populism that could work. Silicon Valley, culturally speaking, fits pretty clearly into the subculture that Trump set himself up in opposition to, in a way that even finance doesn't (given that the current govt is an uneasy al…
I think it’s more that “fuck the elitists” is a tune that can be morphed into from nearly any other tune.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Under current administration? No.
I'm not so sure about that. The current administration can be kind of unpredictable (to understate it a little...), and this seems like exactly the combination of fuck-the-elitists and Trumpian populism that could work. Silicon Valley, culturally speaking, fits pretty clearly into the subculture that Trump set himself up in opposition to, in a way that even finance doesn't (given that the current govt is an uneasy al…
But how would it get through Congress? Trump is essentially incapable of pushing legislation that Congress doesn't already support...
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#38I personally don't really care about what information they collect. I do hugely care who they give that information to & what they do with it. Haven't heard anything about Google wholesale handing all my data over to anybody who clicks a couple buttons to sign up to their developer program though. I'm guessing Facebook has the technical expertise to allow 3rd parties to run aggregate (non identifying) queries on the…
> I personally don't really care about what information they collect
If the government said "let's make a database of every Jew in America," people would get rightfully riled up. Yet we've allowed a single entity to assemble a database orders of magnitudes more detailed.
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#39I feel like whoever wrote this article missed the point completely. For the internet to function, websites need your information. If you want to log into a website using Facebook login, Facebook needs to know what website you are logging into. When you watch a Youtube video on someone else's website, in order for that data to be sent to you they need to know what your IP address is and they need to know what website…
Agreed, I found Facebook’s explanation perfectly adequate and respectable. They are basically explaining cookies and embeds/iframes to a non-technical audience — no more, no less. It makes sense to give other examples like Google ads and Twitter buttons in this context.
> They are basically explaining cookies and embeds/iframes to a non-technical audience — no more, no less.
Right but the main question was whether they were getting data on people from data brokers, and they responded by answering a completely different question.
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I really hope nothing remotely similar to gdpr is written into legislation in the US. I do not even know how I would get started writing a website that would adhere to GDPR requirements
Then you have no business with users data.
Can you tell me what I need to do to make a gdpr compliant website?
Is it the hacker news mindset that you should need a law degree to launch a website now?
GDPR is so bad that I would rather make a HIPAA compliant service than a GDPR compliant service.