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Re: GoPro has discontinued its developer program

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I agree, but disagree there was a hard ceiling for GoPro. Companies may have an initial success.. but the rest of the world never stands still while they rake in money. Especially not in tech, which gets cheaper every year and can be manufactured fairly easy by competitors. GoPro had an initial success with their camera.. and it was their duty to expand beyond that into other lines of business and diversify their rev…

>GoPro could easily stand for pro-level/quality outdoor gear. The same could be said for pro-level/quality outdoor gear. Why aren’t Patagonia, Orvis, and Salomon making a run at the camera industry? Is that their failure?

Except those companies have multiple products. Salomon, for example, produces clothing, shoes, skis, goggles, and helmets.

Salomon originally was a metalworking company that sold saw blades. And they turned that into sporting goods equipment. They also own Mavic -- bike parts.

Patagonia originally sold rock climbing gear only.. and expanded into clothing.

Those companies are diversified stable companies, that have expanded into other lines of business... reducing their risk.

GoPro is like Salomon deciding to stick with saw blades.

I don't think GoPro necessarily needs to add outdoor gear.. it was merely an example. GoPro has quite a few options open to it... virtually all unexplored by GoPro.

Re: GoPro has discontinued its developer program

#32

GoPro could turn themselves around if they supported their customer community by opening up their hardware interfaces more and allowed more robust fine-grain control over aperature, shutter, iso, white balance via usb and wifi/Bluetooth with API support so we developers can create sale-generating software that makes their fantastic hardware more useful. It won't hurt them to open these controls up. Also make streamin…

Except it's already clear they want customer lock-in on their products. You can't use the remote app without being logged in (which I can't even get to connect, but that's another complaint). Something about some cloud service that costs $5/month to use. Their remote app is clearly the funnel to sell this service, so why would they open up their API? At this point I'm just going to start buying Chinese knock-offs tha…

Sounds like failed experiment. It's not too late to give it up. They should stick to making exciting hardware.

Re: GoPro has discontinued its developer program

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post #22

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Except it's already clear they want customer lock-in on their products. You can't use the remote app without being logged in (which I can't even get to connect, but that's another complaint). Something about some cloud service that costs $5/month to use. Their remote app is clearly the funnel to sell this service, so why would they open up their API? At this point I'm just going to start buying Chinese knock-offs tha…

FWIW, I can heartily recommend SJCAM -- their build quality is great for a Chinese knock-off and the resulting image/video quality is really really good for the price of the hardware. However, be careful when on eBay/aliExpress I've actually seen other vendors knocking off the knock-offs.

To get the best deal out of any of the knockoffs and competitors, though, you have to get a little bit knowledgeable about the camera tech. The SJ5000 is a large step up over the SJ4000 because it uses a 16MP Panasonic MN34110PA sensor rather than the SJ4000's 3.5MP Aptina AR0330 (which they upscale to call a "12MP sensor"). And that's just what a $25 bump gets you! This isn't something you're just gonna know, though--do your research.

Re: GoPro has discontinued its developer program

#34
People in here are talking like GoPro’s issues are market related. That’s not true at all.

If you know anyone who is or has worked there you know it’s because they are incredibly poorly run. They routinely waste development time on nothing projects, failing to ship code - even bug fixes - for literal years.

Their problems come from one of the most disfunctional managing cultures I’ve heard of in the Bay Area - and that’s a high bar.

Re: GoPro has discontinued its developer program

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Off topic, but if anyone from their marketing team reads this, one of the activities[1] on the HERO6 Black sales page[2] is a surefire way to crack your skull open. [1] https://i.imgur.com/ZuOmIrV.jpg [2] https://shop.gopro.com/EMEA/cameras/hero6-black/CHDHX-601-ma...

That promotional video is fantastic. Beautiful scenery, photogenic people, shots of pristine nature, even the family visiting a theme park inspires a primal kind of longing and deep pride in how awesome it is to be an incarnated human. The score--Odesza's "A Moment Apart" from the album of the same name--contributes to the emotion in no small way. Given the discontinuation of the developer program is in line with the…

Odesza's other albums are great too!

The vocal sample from "Intro" on Odesza's album "Summer's Gone" is from a 1957 BBC Radiophonics workshop [1] - it's a remarkably simple explanation, but must have been amazing to hear at the time:

"You take a sound. Any sound. Record it and then change its nature by a multiplicity of operations. Record it at different speeds. Play it backwards. Add it to itself over and over again. You adjust filters, echoes, acoustic qualities. You combine segments of magnetic tape. By these means and many others you can create sounds which no one has ever heard before."

[1]: https://boingboing.net/2012/05/21/bbc-radiophonic-sound-expe...

Re: GoPro has discontinued its developer program

#36

GoPro could turn themselves around if they supported their customer community by opening up their hardware interfaces more and allowed more robust fine-grain control over aperature, shutter, iso, white balance via usb and wifi/Bluetooth with API support so we developers can create sale-generating software that makes their fantastic hardware more useful. It won't hurt them to open these controls up. Also make streamin…

> All of this would open up their market to tinkering enthusiasts as well without making things more complex for their existing market.

How much in sales will the tinkering enthusiasts generate?

Re: GoPro has discontinued its developer program

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, but disagree there was a hard ceiling for GoPro. Companies may have an initial success.. but the rest of the world never stands still while they rake in money. Especially not in tech, which gets cheaper every year and can be manufactured fairly easy by competitors. GoPro had an initial success with their camera.. and it was their duty to expand beyond that into other lines of business and diversify their rev…

Not only that, they haven’t kept up in camera tech, but still charge a premium price. Built-in mechanical stabilization, additional sensors such as gps and altimeter, color capture could have justified a premium price. Expansion into the drone market came as too little too late, and the recall hurt that effort immensely. Seems like there are video applicstions outside the ‘action cam’ domain - security, monitoring, e…

GoPro Hero5 Black has GPS.

Re: GoPro has discontinued its developer program

#38

People in here are talking like GoPro’s issues are market related. That’s not true at all. If you know anyone who is or has worked there you know it’s because they are incredibly poorly run. They routinely waste development time on nothing projects, failing to ship code - even bug fixes - for literal years . Their problems come from one of the most disfunctional managing cultures I’ve heard of in the Bay Area - and t…

Garmin beat them to the 360. My biggest complaint is that GoPro mounts are cheap and there isn't a high quality gimbal for the GoPro.

Re: GoPro has discontinued its developer program

#39

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They're finished as a company. They never were able to innovate beyond "it's an HD camera with wifi", and low priced competition ate them up.

Exactly, a hundred Chinese companies can pump out cameras like theirs. What they had going for them was their genericized trademark of a name - people calling all action cameras GoPros - which eventually would have or did come back and bite them. Their stock price is less than a tenth what it once was.

Can you show me a Chinese company that is making an action camera that can shoot 2K60 that is waterproof and small form factor like GoPro?

Re: GoPro has discontinued its developer program

#40

GoPro could turn themselves around if they supported their customer community by opening up their hardware interfaces more and allowed more robust fine-grain control over aperature, shutter, iso, white balance via usb and wifi/Bluetooth with API support so we developers can create sale-generating software that makes their fantastic hardware more useful. It won't hurt them to open these controls up. Also make streamin…

Except it's already clear they want customer lock-in on their products. You can't use the remote app without being logged in (which I can't even get to connect, but that's another complaint). Something about some cloud service that costs $5/month to use. Their remote app is clearly the funnel to sell this service, so why would they open up their API? At this point I'm just going to start buying Chinese knock-offs tha…

Wow, I've been passively interested in getting a GoPro camera for a long time, but knowing their remote control requires a cloud service (I thought it was local wifi) is a total dealbreaker. Same with Hue lights. It is absolutely ridiculous for the customer to be locked out of their own hardware.
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