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Re: Debian 9.2 released

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Post by deadbunny »

rwmj wrote: post #27
tooltalk wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I noticed that CentOS/RHEL distro's have quite old versions of everything, but Debian stable doesn't seem all that cutting edge either. I find myself reaching out to backports and even sid to get what I need at times. At my new job, we recently had that debate -- and I was quickly overruled for recommending CentOS/RHEL. My employer is a Java shop, I can almost always find rpm and deb pkg's for most stuff we nee…

RHEL works by backporting bug fixes and new features into the old versions. Don't go by the version numbers, check the availability of features instead.

Backporting features and not bumping versions is redicilous though, especially when that means v3.1 of upstream is different to v3.1 in your repo.

Re: Debian 9.2 released

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Post by deadbunny »

marmaduke wrote: post #2

I have the impression that Jessie came out recently. Is time speeding up? Meanwhile I’m happy on CentOS 7 since many years now.

Debian switched to a more formal 2 year cycle for releases (similar to the Ubuntu LTS releases) from their "when it's ready" cycle they had before.

Re: Debian 9.2 released

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Post by jlgaddis »

tooltalk wrote: post #17
jlgaddis wrote: post #12

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If you want to run the latest, greatest, bleeding edge version of $foo, CentOS may not be for you.

Well, I noticed that CentOS/RHEL distro's have quite old versions of everything, but Debian stable doesn't seem all that cutting edge either. I find myself reaching out to backports and even sid to get what I need at times. At my new job, we recently had that debate -- and I was quickly overruled for recommending CentOS/RHEL. My employer is a Java shop, I can almost always find rpm and deb pkg's for most stuff we nee…

FWIW, you can find newer versions of some software packages via "Software Collections".

Re: Debian 9.2 released

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Post by evook »

scbrg wrote: post #25
evook wrote: post #19

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sid (still in Development)

While true, I guess the point was that it's misleading to refer to sid as Debian's "experimental" release, since Debian actually has a "release" referred to as experimental and it is not sid . https://wiki.debian.org/DebianExperimental

But sid isn't referred to as an experimental release. The experimental release is more or less an voluntary option for the devs to use or not.

> Some packages/developers don't use experimental, they just put the new versions in unstable

Re: Debian 9.2 released

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Post by rwmj »

deadbunny wrote: post #31
rwmj wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

RHEL works by backporting bug fixes and new features into the old versions. Don't go by the version numbers, check the availability of features instead.

Backporting features and not bumping versions is redicilous though, especially when that means v3.1 of upstream is different to v3.1 in your repo.

RHT's market cap is over $20 billion today so that says it's providing real value to customers.

Re: Debian 9.2 released

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Post by pcnix »

staticelf wrote: post #10
gear54rus wrote: post #7

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As someone who has been choosing CentOS for the same purpose, what would be some reasons for me to switch off the top of your head?

Can't really come up with any reason, if you're happy with CentOS you should probably keep using CentOS. I just started out with Ubuntu but realised that Debian seems to have more control over their packages and have a much more stable ecosystem which I value. Also .deb packages always seem to be available for basically any software distributed for linux and why make life hard?

Ubuntu is debian based, and works on .deb packages.

Just nitpicking, nothing else to add.

Re: Debian 9.2 released

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Post by raimue »

chungy wrote: post #22
jstimpfle wrote: post #18

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I actually looked for a while there (even Ctrl+f'ed) but somehow missed it. My bad. Still it's more of a nuisance to most people and I don't like how the standard URL does not deliver the same page to all.

That's how the web is supposed to work. If you prefer English versions of pages, go into your browser configuration and tell it to prefer English.

I usually prefer English for anything related to development, software engineering, and computers in general. I also run my user interface in English, as it is much easier to search for error messages that way. However, when visiting websites of local places such as restaurants, I prefer the German version and not the one in English meant for tourists.

While third-party extensions allow to switch Accept-Language, it is not in the standard UI of modern browsers. For people like me, an advanced setting of Accept-Language per top-level domain would reduce the number of times I have to find the language switcher on the web page to a minimum.

Re: Debian 9.2 released

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Post by jstimpfle »

chungy wrote: post #22
jstimpfle wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually looked for a while there (even Ctrl+f'ed) but somehow missed it. My bad. Still it's more of a nuisance to most people and I don't like how the standard URL does not deliver the same page to all.

That's how the web is supposed to work. If you prefer English versions of pages, go into your browser configuration and tell it to prefer English.

> That's how the web is supposed to work.

Citation needed. I'm pretty certain there are many proponents for a rather tight mapping from URL to content. Just imagine how hard it is for a search engine to index websites that deliver content based on unpredictable (anything else than URL) input variables.

Re: Debian 9.2 released

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Post by jstimpfle »

fs111 wrote: post #21
jstimpfle wrote: post #15

On a tangential note, I don't like how I get served the German version of the site with no obvious way to get the "canonical" one. And then I hate realizing how hard it is to combine support of multiple languages and still making everything transparent and accessible. And also, what a huge effort it is to translate pages to different languages while (I think) almost everyone wants to read the English version.

Send the correct language headers and stop complaining.

What's the correct ones? The ones that the submitter of the thread had set? My native language? English? Does it depend on the topic?

Re: Debian 9.2 released

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Post by jstimpfle »

JosephRedfern wrote: post #28
jstimpfle wrote: post #15

On a tangential note, I don't like how I get served the German version of the site with no obvious way to get the "canonical" one. And then I hate realizing how hard it is to combine support of multiple languages and still making everything transparent and accessible. And also, what a huge effort it is to translate pages to different languages while (I think) almost everyone wants to read the English version.

A huge effort, yes -- but probably worthwhile. You might be surprised about the number of non-english speakers; I know I was when visiting Italy and Portugal this summer (especially Italy). I suspect that we tend to live in "language bubbles".

Yes, that will be true in general... In computer literate circles (like the ones browsing debian.org) there won't be many non English speakers, though.
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