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As Google Fights Fake News, Voices on the Margins Raise Alarm

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Website that constantly talks about 'struggle' and 'revolution' is not extremist at all.

"Extremist" is a weasel word for when a person didn't really do anything yet, but you are already trying to censor them.

Marxists and socialists did not do anything yet. Now you are just trolling.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Extremist" is a weasel word for when a person didn't really do anything yet, but you are already trying to censor them.

Marxists and socialists did not do anything yet. Now you are just trolling.

These particular ones didn't, and you certainly can't prevent a person (or a group of people) from thinking improper thoughts as long as they want to.

But you would like to, won't you? You would like to get into people's heads? You consider people your peons and you want to pull switches in their heads because you know better what they should think?

In short, you are a putinist.

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> "Google said it had added more detailed examples of problematic pages into the guidelines"

'Problematic'. There's that word, again. The news need not even be 'fake' anymore. Simply 'problematic' will do.

Here's Mark Zuckerberg not long ago:

> While the amount of problematic content we've found so far remains relatively small, any attempted interference is a serious issue.

Problematic to whom, one wonders? The loser? Those who feel most aggrieved? This is little more than an attempt to sanitize information so that all that remains is the pre-approved 'least problematic' truth (fact-checked, of course).

Hillary Clinton, with much irony and little self-awareness, summed up the intent behind this move in her latest book:

> “Attempting to define reality is a core feature of authoritarianism....This is what the Soviets did when they erased political dissidents from historical photos. This is what happens in George Orwell’s classic novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, when a torturer holds up four fingers and delivers electric shocks until his prisoner sees five fingers as ordered. “The goal is to make you question logic and reason and to sow mistrust towards exactly the people we need to rely on: our leaders, the press, experts who seek to guide public policy based on evidence, ourselves”.

So the message is clear: Trust us, you dolts. We know best.

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Google isn't doing very well on "socialist". One of the "Top Stories" is WorldNet Daily: "Chilling! Left on brink of socialist victory in U.S. 'We have to have the courage to say something is wrong. This is insanity' Published: 6 days ago" That's not even fake news. That's like news from an alternate universe in which Bernie Sanders won.

I get www.worldsocialism.org at position 4 underneath wikipedia and the dictionary sites. The ""news"" boxes have Bloomberg and the Daily Express, both of which are a bit detached from reality, talking about Corbyn.

I think this tells us (a) results differ from person to person - we knew that, but it means we can't see what's being shown to others and how bad it might be; and (b) "socialist" is mostly used as a swear word these days.

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I think we're close to 1984 world and thought control... but coming from tech giants like Facebook and Google.

Ever once in a while I link someone or mentioned what is in articles such as these, below, and I rarely find people believe it until they read it in name-brand media. Maybe I am wrong but from 9/11 to the Snowden leaks to now it feels like we are on some accelerated path towards 1984 where conspiracy theories are becoming reality. For example: the US gov actively influences movies and TV scripts for propaganda purpos…

In my experience of telling people these things, there is only a nanosecond between a person saying "that's ridiculous, that can't possibly be true" and saying "of course that's happening, who ever thought otherwise?".

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spot-checking, and I agree, this doesn't at all seem to be "fake news". Much like the actual communists that I've known, I find myself disagreeing with the opinions, priorities, and judgements, but it doesn't seem to be misleading or mischaracterizing the truth.

The thing about "fake news" is that nobody can agree on an objective definition of what it is. So people just train their models on controversial pages and hope for the best.

"Fake news" is such a non descript term, it's essentially double speak (i.e. it means whatever I disagree with). I mean, was WMD in Iraq Fake news?

The point is, press lost all credibility a long time ago, so now we can apply this label far and wide.

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Remember when the right wing groups were up in arms about the censoring of non-liberal news by the news moderators and FB had to reorganise the whole team.

Now we know the so-called liberal bias was that they were censoring all the (mostly) right wing fake news stories coming from the Russian backed troll teams.

Re: As Google Fights Fake News, Voices on the Margins Raise Alarm

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Google has often said that it cannot reveal too much or people would use that information to try to game the rankings Isn't this the same "security by obscurity" argument?

No. Security by obscurity is relying on opaqueness instead of using an alternative and better defense.

For Google to protect it's ranking algorithms, non-disclosure and the legal right to proprietary knowledge is the best defense. It's not obscure, it's private.

Re: As Google Fights Fake News, Voices on the Margins Raise Alarm

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Remember when the right wing groups were up in arms about the censoring of non-liberal news by the news moderators and FB had to reorganise the whole team. Now we know the so-called liberal bias was that they were censoring all the (mostly) right wing fake news stories coming from the Russian backed troll teams.

>Russian backed troll teams Is there any hard evidence whatsoever that this is the case, and may you point me to it? I'm fully aware that Russians never "hacked the election" as many news outlets will have us believe (low confidence from the intelligence community, the previous president, and others) but I would believe that claim with hard evidence.

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> "Google said it had added more detailed examples of problematic pages into the guidelines" 'Problematic'. There's that word, again. The news need not even be 'fake' anymore. Simply 'problematic' will do. Here's Mark Zuckerberg not long ago: > While the amount of problematic content we've found so far remains relatively small, any attempted interference is a serious issue. Problematic to whom, one wonders? The loser…

If you don't know what "problematic" means you could just look it up in a dictionary.

adjective: constituting or presenting a problem

Or are the "word-checkers" in on the big conspiracy too?

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