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Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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https://www.apple.com/ipod/

you can't get SMS I need a 2 week battery life, LCD screen, SMS/pager thing, with a Blackberry physical keypad and no voice or apps - and a simple mute switch

So get an old blackberry and turn on call barring.

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at the same time, we can choose to install a different third party dialer no? maybe what we need is a 3rd party dialer that pledges privacy.

The point is, this should not happen to core functionality. Specially not sneaky like this.

Define core functionality. We are carrying computers that happen to have a radio that can communicate with cell towers. The phone functionality is just as "core" as any other service that the OS exposes. (Camera, Web Browser, GPS)

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Google in 2007: Do no evil. Google in 2017: Skynet didn't build itself people! We need more ML training data!

Skynet v. 0.1 didn't build itself. Clearly, though, once it becomes a minimum viable product, it will produce the next generations of itself. Or will it? If it's an AI intent on approximating human speech processing, why should it be any good at programming? See also https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9658524/1/Branches-on-the-Tree-... .

I wonder what makes people think that an AI needs to be able to code to improve itself. I don't see infant brains "programming" themselves to get better.

The next step in programming is probably not anything like programming. Machine learning certainly isn't. Creating a neural net that achieves superhuman image recognition takes 30 lines of code in keras. And terabytes of training data. But the programming doesn't look anything like someone in the 90s would have thought. Except maybe for a bunch of AI researchers.

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Google in 2007: Do no evil. Google in 2017: Skynet didn't build itself people! We need more ML training data!

Skynet v. 0.1 didn't build itself. Clearly, though, once it becomes a minimum viable product, it will produce the next generations of itself. Or will it? If it's an AI intent on approximating human speech processing, why should it be any good at programming? See also https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9658524/1/Branches-on-the-Tree-... .

From that last question, I imagined an AI having a hell of a time trying to figure out programming. Haha..

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https://www.apple.com/ipod/

you can't get SMS I need a 2 week battery life, LCD screen, SMS/pager thing, with a Blackberry physical keypad and no voice or apps - and a simple mute switch

So build your own. http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-Your-Own-Smartphone/

Manufacturers are under no obligation to provide you with a device to your particular specification, unless of course you are the one paying them under contract them to do so.

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If the dialer stopped working I'd never notice, but if the phone app broke entirely I'd stop getting calls from telemarketers and loan scams.

And vacation sweepstakes, and shitty recruiters, and IRS scams, and... This must be the elephant in the room. Traditional telephony has become dominated by bad actors. They hit a critical mass and now my phone app is a waste of space.

I've always found it weird how everyone I know seems much more cautious about phone usage than me: for example, I've never understood why people don't answer numbers they don't recognize.

I'm slowly realizing that this is because apparently people are inundated with spam calls? I think I may have received one solitary spam call in my entire life. I can't really account for the discrepancy

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I completely disagree with the title. The fact that "telephony" can be an app on the phone is a WONDERFUL thing. It means that the author of this article has a choice, as opposed to NOT having a choice.

So, out of curiosity, at this point what are his choices?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.and... . This is the "Google Dialer".

This is one example; there are dozens more.

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This why we need [edit] GDPR. Next time someone tries to harvest my personal data using an "all-inclusive" EULA I'm going to sue his ass in EU-land.

GPDR is actually GDPR in case you are trying to read up on what that means and don't know already.

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you can't get SMS I need a 2 week battery life, LCD screen, SMS/pager thing, with a Blackberry physical keypad and no voice or apps - and a simple mute switch

So build your own. http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-Your-Own-Smartphone/ Manufacturers are under no obligation to provide you with a device to your particular specification, unless of course you are the one paying them under contract them to do so.

> Manufacturers are under no obligation to provide you with a device to your particular specification

I don't think wishing that a niche was filled constitutes assuming that manufacturers have any obligation.

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