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Re: Drupal project imploding, core developers ejected for S&M hobbies

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Post by mdekkers » Tue, Mar 28, 2017, 2:38 PM UTC

Ugh, the Drupal community strikes again. I have been working with Drupal for roughly 10 years, and outside of an initial flurry of commits rarely engage with that cesspit of a "community". I have the misfortune to have to do a significant amount of work with Drupal, which was badly designed and written, then badly redesigned and re-written, with the same pattern repeating twice more. There are many nice and helpful people in the community, but the majority of those in a leadership position are nasty little fascists hell bent on preserving their position of power.

I once got a salescall from Aqcuia, they tried to enroll me in some partner program or something. The salesguy got chatting with me, I explain in rough outlines how we train up our developers to become Drupal devs, this being the reason I wasn't really interested in their training program. Shortly thereafter, they launched a "Drupal Academy" or some ame, which was pretty much word for word what I told the lousy slimeball I was talking with on the phone.

I have no respect for these people, and this is just another unsurprising demonstration of what they are like.

Re: Drupal project imploding, core developers ejected for S&M hobbies

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Post by jhall1468 » Tue, Mar 28, 2017, 2:43 PM UTC

devwastaken wrote: post #23

tnone wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It means the steady downward trend it's been on for the last 7-8 years is about to accelerate. PHP CMSes fill a niche of bespoke software deployments made irrelevant by more standardized collaboration and publishing tools with better usability. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=drupal

>It means the steady downward trend it's been on for the last 7-8 years is about to accelerate. I don't see this downward spiral trend you're talking about. Drupal 8 is one of the most dynamic and thought out CMS's available. Your statement would fit Wordpress better, and even that would still be wrong because its so widely used.

> I don't see this downward spiral trend you're talking about.

He literally posted a graph showing interest over time in Drupal has steadily been declining.

> Drupal 8 is one of the most dynamic and thought out CMS's available.

Now you sound like a press release.

Re: Drupal project imploding, core developers ejected for S&M hobbies

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Post by cweagans » Tue, Mar 28, 2017, 2:55 PM UTC

mercer wrote: post #29

ams6110 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Techcrunch story posted is better. It's linked in another comment here. Edit: Sorry I meant the Inc. story. "Garfield's accusers ... insist that Gor enthusiasts sincerely believe in the misogynistic philosophy of gender presented in the books. They point to Garfield's history of professing less-than-PC opinions about race and gender."

> They point to Garfield's history of professing less-than-PC opinions about race and gender. What I don't understand is that if this is the case, why did it go unnoticed until someone specifically went to dig into Garfield's history?

Drupal developer here. I've worked on core, maintain many contrib modules, etc. and have worked with Larry IRL on Drupally stuff. I really don't understand what this quote is talking about if they aren't specifically pointing at his history. He's never been less than pleasant and considerate of others in my IRL interactions with him. Also, from his post:

> Second: I've been involved in the Gorean community since 2002. I've been involved in Drupal since 2005. It took until late 2016 for anyone to realize I was in both. Moreover, from what I understand from the CWG the first "leak" was someone on that alt-lifestyle private forum who found my account there, screenshotted it, and started passing it around.

(source: https://www.garfieldtech.com/blog/tmi-part-2)

Re: Drupal project imploding, core developers ejected for S&M hobbies

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Post by cweagans » Tue, Mar 28, 2017, 2:57 PM UTC

chuckdries wrote: post #2

Anyone here use drupal? I'm only vaguely aware of it. What does this mean for the project? I know my university uses it for their entire website.

It's used quite a bit for larger sites (universities, government agencies, large corporations, etc).

Re: Drupal project imploding, core developers ejected for S&M hobbies

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Post by ajsalminen » Tue, Mar 28, 2017, 4:07 PM UTC

jhall1468 wrote: post #32

devwastaken wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It means the steady downward trend it's been on for the last 7-8 years is about to accelerate. I don't see this downward spiral trend you're talking about. Drupal 8 is one of the most dynamic and thought out CMS's available. Your statement would fit Wordpress better, and even that would still be wrong because its so widely used.

> I don't see this downward spiral trend you're talking about. He literally posted a graph showing interest over time in Drupal has steadily been declining. > Drupal 8 is one of the most dynamic and thought out CMS's available. Now you sound like a press release.

The common refrain in recent years has been that Drupal has been going for the enterprise instead of every single blogger like it used to. That could decrease search volume while still even growing in that segment.

Still, having both would obviously be better if somewhat difficult. Drupal hasn't completely given up on that idea but the trend has definitely been towards more about serving developers than a layperson who wants to set up a small website.

That's not to say everything necessarily is fine since Drupal 8's adoption has been slower than for previous versions but it looks like it may be finally picking up. The recent announcement that major Drupal versions will no longer be big backwards-compatibility breaks like they've been up until this point is something that could really help it too.

Re: Drupal project imploding, core developers ejected for S&M hobbies

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Post by devwastaken » Wed, Mar 29, 2017, 12:29 AM UTC

jhall1468 wrote: post #32

devwastaken wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It means the steady downward trend it's been on for the last 7-8 years is about to accelerate. I don't see this downward spiral trend you're talking about. Drupal 8 is one of the most dynamic and thought out CMS's available. Your statement would fit Wordpress better, and even that would still be wrong because its so widely used.

> I don't see this downward spiral trend you're talking about. He literally posted a graph showing interest over time in Drupal has steadily been declining. > Drupal 8 is one of the most dynamic and thought out CMS's available. Now you sound like a press release.

>He literally posted a graph showing interest over time in Drupal has steadily been declining.

They posted google trends. If software lived and breathed by how it was googled, there wouldn't be many options.

>Now you sound like a press release.

Making generalizations like 'this entire framework is going down' is a better press release.

Re: Drupal project imploding, core developers ejected for S&M hobbies

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Mar 29, 2017, 10:42 AM UTC

devwastaken wrote: post #36

jhall1468 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't see this downward spiral trend you're talking about. He literally posted a graph showing interest over time in Drupal has steadily been declining. > Drupal 8 is one of the most dynamic and thought out CMS's available. Now you sound like a press release.

>He literally posted a graph showing interest over time in Drupal has steadily been declining. They posted google trends. If software lived and breathed by how it was googled, there wouldn't be many options. >Now you sound like a press release. Making generalizations like 'this entire framework is going down' is a better press release.

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