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Re: Drupal project imploding, core developers ejected for S&M hobbies

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Anyone here use drupal? I'm only vaguely aware of it. What does this mean for the project? I know my university uses it for their entire website.

It means the steady downward trend it's been on for the last 7-8 years is about to accelerate. PHP CMSes fill a niche of bespoke software deployments made irrelevant by more standardized collaboration and publishing tools with better usability.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=drupal

Re: Drupal project imploding, core developers ejected for S&M hobbies

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I'm sorry, but how is this different than discriminating based on sexual preference (being gay)? This sort of stuff has no place in a business setting. Unfortunately this is the world we live in; everybody is outraged over something and claiming to be open and inclusive, as long as it prescribes to their own beliefs. Where are the TechCrunch social justice warriors (Megan Rose Dickey) about this?

It's no different, except that people who claim to be open and tolerant never really are. They are just tolerant of one or the other outgroup to the degree that that outgroup is socially acceptable. I think the reason this happens is that people have no principles reason for tolerating other people. It just "feels right" for certain groups and wrong for others. So who gets tolerated trails changes in social acceptabi…

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Re: Drupal project imploding, core developers ejected for S&M hobbies

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post #21

Anyone here use drupal? I'm only vaguely aware of it. What does this mean for the project? I know my university uses it for their entire website.

It means the steady downward trend it's been on for the last 7-8 years is about to accelerate. PHP CMSes fill a niche of bespoke software deployments made irrelevant by more standardized collaboration and publishing tools with better usability. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=drupal

>It means the steady downward trend it's been on for the last 7-8 years is about to accelerate.

I don't see this downward spiral trend you're talking about. Drupal 8 is one of the most dynamic and thought out CMS's available. Your statement would fit Wordpress better, and even that would still be wrong because its so widely used.

Re: Drupal project imploding, core developers ejected for S&M hobbies

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I'm sorry, but how is this different than discriminating based on sexual preference (being gay)? This sort of stuff has no place in a business setting. Unfortunately this is the world we live in; everybody is outraged over something and claiming to be open and inclusive, as long as it prescribes to their own beliefs. Where are the TechCrunch social justice warriors (Megan Rose Dickey) about this?

>I'm sorry, but how is this different than discriminating based on sexual preference (being gay)?

Thats assuming he was ejected due to preferences. Buytaert said that Larry ommitted information from his reply, and that there was more going on. So, we don't even know what the exact cause was other than supposedly Larry actually believes that women are subservient to men. Not just sexually, but in life in general.

I can perfectly see how that makes a person who has to interact with a diverse community problematic. But I also understand that you should be judged upon what you have done, not about what you think, and none of the posts or responses qualify that in any way shape or form. So, either something bigger happened that the org is hiding for some protective purpose (either for Larry, or themselves, or both), or as Larry said, he is the result of a smear campaign.

Re: Drupal project imploding, core developers ejected for S&M hobbies

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I don't agree with the decision. But, he was not ejected for S&M hobbies. He was ejected because he was perceived to believe that women are subservient to men (evidently this was part of some of his online writing). Here's a timeline of blog posts: 1. Larry's (the ejectee) initial blog post: https://www.garfieldtech.com/blog/tmi-outing 2. Dries' (founder of Drupal) following blog post: http://buytaert.net/living-our-…

Gor is a fiction community, as others had said before the Bible and other fiction books have similar views on women. Gor as all bdsm is a game, it is a play, an act between consenting adults.

Garfield has never (to our current knowledge) acted in real life upon the things said in the context of Gor.

Re: Drupal project imploding, core developers ejected for S&M hobbies

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I'm sorry, but how is this different than discriminating based on sexual preference (being gay)? This sort of stuff has no place in a business setting. Unfortunately this is the world we live in; everybody is outraged over something and claiming to be open and inclusive, as long as it prescribes to their own beliefs. Where are the TechCrunch social justice warriors (Megan Rose Dickey) about this?

At least one TechCrunch writer is on Garfield's side:

https://techcrunch.com/2017/03/26/sex-and-gor-and-open-sourc...

Re: Drupal project imploding, core developers ejected for S&M hobbies

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I'm confused. What was the issue for his firing? Was it because his sex life went public and thus gave the project a bad view? Kind of if someone abuses legal some legal substance that is frowned upon (I couldn't think of such a substance, let's pretend it exists) and gets ejected when it gets out to the public because they now associate a frowned-on behavior with the project. OR Was the issue just that he enjoyed se…

The Techcrunch story posted is better. It's linked in another comment here. Edit: Sorry I meant the Inc. story. "Garfield's accusers ... insist that Gor enthusiasts sincerely believe in the misogynistic philosophy of gender presented in the books. They point to Garfield's history of professing less-than-PC opinions about race and gender."

> They point to Garfield's history of professing less-than-PC opinions about race and gender.

What I don't understand is that if this is the case, why did it go unnoticed until someone specifically went to dig into Garfield's history?

Re: Drupal project imploding, core developers ejected for S&M hobbies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Techcrunch story posted is better. It's linked in another comment here. Edit: Sorry I meant the Inc. story. "Garfield's accusers ... insist that Gor enthusiasts sincerely believe in the misogynistic philosophy of gender presented in the books. They point to Garfield's history of professing less-than-PC opinions about race and gender."

> They point to Garfield's history of professing less-than-PC opinions about race and gender. What I don't understand is that if this is the case, why did it go unnoticed until someone specifically went to dig into Garfield's history?

I don't know where he has talked about race, maybe the master/slave comment is the one referred to but if you follow those links in the article to the actual posts he made you can see that what he wrote isn't that controversial, he's just not fully supporting changing the master/slave terminology or adding more options to the gender field of a user profile. The author of the article described it as "not agreeing with the SJW party line".
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