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A Genetic Fix to Put the Taste Back in Tomatoes

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Re: A Genetic Fix to Put the Taste Back in Tomatoes

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You should try importing tomatoes from Eastern Europe. They are still very tasty over here. :)

I was born in Romania, visited there less than two weeks ago, and now I am in the United States. This is simply not true at all. Tomatoes in Romania taste exactly the same as tomatoes in the United States (e.g. bland). Even tomatoes bought from farmer's market are not much better because they don't use the tastiest varieties of tomatoes.

In the winter tomatoes have no taste. Real tomatoes are a summer plant. Ask your parents. ;)

Re: A Genetic Fix to Put the Taste Back in Tomatoes

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This is exactly why I despise the "urban legend" about Monsanto suing the poor, tiny farmer because their Round-Up resistant seeds blew into his crop. The actual story (much like the McDonald's hot coffee lawsuit) makes a lot more sense when you learn that the farmer not only knew that their seeds were Monsanto's but then used Round-Up on all his other crops so that they would die and only the resistant crops were le…

I still see a problem with this. If GM crops are capable of being wind blown how does his activity differ at all from someone trying to naturally select for crops with herbicide resistance? Any farmer trying to select for a plant with resistance could accidentally end up reproducing a "patented" plant. I think there's a fundamental problem with patenting things that are self replicating. Given enough time a superior…

>If GM crops are capable of being wind blown how does his activity differ at all from someone trying to naturally select for crops with herbicide resistance?

The only "naturally selected" herbicide resistant crops were made in a lab using fast-neutron bombardment. Not exactly natural, or amenable to traditional methods.

If you tried to select for herbicide resistance in a normal field, all you would get is weeds and a lot of dead crops. It is not impossible to do, simply infeasible.

>Given enough time a superior GMO plant could take over a field all by itself with no intervention

Then you sue the creator and make millions. There is a long precedent with inseticides/herbicide use.

Often if a pesticide blows on the wind into a neighboring field and causes damage, the sprayer is liable. This has already been used to litigate geneflow from one field to another.

>A related problem is that it's difficult/impossible to tell if you're growing a patented seed without expensive tests.

Sampling your soil/crop is actually quite routine in farming. A PCR for a trait can be easily and cheaply performed.

Though, this shouldn't be necessary because farmers usually keep tight control of their genetics. Most commercial farmers (conventional and organic) use hybrid seed. This seed is most fit only for one generation, and as a result they order seed from seed companies to maximize yield. As a result, gene flow is not a huge problem.

Obviously it might be more of a concern for heirloom seed providers, but simply being aware of neighbors and pollination distances can alleviate concerns.

Re: A Genetic Fix to Put the Taste Back in Tomatoes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly why I despise the "urban legend" about Monsanto suing the poor, tiny farmer because their Round-Up resistant seeds blew into his crop. The actual story (much like the McDonald's hot coffee lawsuit) makes a lot more sense when you learn that the farmer not only knew that their seeds were Monsanto's but then used Round-Up on all his other crops so that they would die and only the resistant crops were le…

I still see a problem with this. If GM crops are capable of being wind blown how does his activity differ at all from someone trying to naturally select for crops with herbicide resistance? Any farmer trying to select for a plant with resistance could accidentally end up reproducing a "patented" plant. I think there's a fundamental problem with patenting things that are self replicating. Given enough time a superior…

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Re: A Genetic Fix to Put the Taste Back in Tomatoes

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There's a similar problem with popcorn. Showing my age card here, but back in the 1970's popcorn actually tasted like corn , which seems to be a difficult concept to explain to anyone under 40. It all went south around the same time that microwave popcorn became popular. People always ask if I don't like tomatoes when I eat around them in salads or remove from burgers. Nope, I love tomatoes, that's why I don't eat fl…

There are 2 really good canned variety's available in the US (IMHO):

1) San Marzano (imported) 2) Muir Glen Organic

Re: A Genetic Fix to Put the Taste Back in Tomatoes

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>Any seeds that happen to get cross pollinated You can actually sue your neighbors and/or these companies for geneflow into your heirloom crops. There has never been a recorded lawsuit where a farmer has been sued for unintentional gene flow. Only intentional patent infringement. >(thanks GE). People have been patenting crops for over 100 years. Nobody cared until GMO's came along...

This is exactly why I despise the "urban legend" about Monsanto suing the poor, tiny farmer because their Round-Up resistant seeds blew into his crop. The actual story (much like the McDonald's hot coffee lawsuit) makes a lot more sense when you learn that the farmer not only knew that their seeds were Monsanto's but then used Round-Up on all his other crops so that they would die and only the resistant crops were le…

There was unintentional wind blown spreading to begin with, how else would he have gotten roundup ready genes into his soybeans that didn't have it?

I agree that he had plenty of intent. But he doesn't seem like the kind of guy to buy the seed from Monsanto first for his "devious" scheme.

Personally I kind of agree with him. If you broadcast a TV show over the air you don't get to cry foul if people watch it. Don't want unauthorized parties getting your genes? Don't let your plants spew them out.

Re: A Genetic Fix to Put the Taste Back in Tomatoes

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There's a similar problem with popcorn. Showing my age card here, but back in the 1970's popcorn actually tasted like corn , which seems to be a difficult concept to explain to anyone under 40. It all went south around the same time that microwave popcorn became popular. People always ask if I don't like tomatoes when I eat around them in salads or remove from burgers. Nope, I love tomatoes, that's why I don't eat fl…

> canners use varieties that have not been ruined for shipping This explains why I love canned/boxed tomatoes, but hate the slimy, bland sliced ones they put on sandwiches.

If a sliced tomato is slimy on your sandwich, that's not a variety problem, it's a preparation problem (in that application, tomatoes, regardless of variety, should be seeded.) Bland may be a variety problem, though it can also be a poor handling problem.

Re: A Genetic Fix to Put the Taste Back in Tomatoes

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Why do you think this variety will be less nutritious than "organic" tomatoes?

Because they collect them green and then ship them with ethylene so they just look 'red' ? Ethylene: The Ripening Hormone http://postharvest.tfrec.wsu.edu/pages/PC2000F

Ethylene ripens the tomatoes, which is far more than making them "look red". That link does not address whether there is a difference between the end product of that accelerated ripening and a normal ripening.

Re: A Genetic Fix to Put the Taste Back in Tomatoes

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amazing tasting tomatoes still exist around the world, if you are on vacation in Italy in the summer buy some "cuor di bue" tomatoes at the supermarket and they will be amazing. Of course if you happen to know somebody that grows them and you can pick them off the plant they will be even more incredible, but even the "normal" supermarket ones are going to be orders of magnitude tastier than anything you can find in N…

Amazing tasting tomatoes are also very easy to grow yourself. Tomatoes are a hardy vine, and hard to mess up, you just need plenty of sunshine. There are seeds available for many heirloom varieties, and when you grow them yourself, you pick them at the peak of freshness. I particularly like the Early Girl variety. It's a bummer that you can't re-plant the seeds from most tomatoes, which are F1 hybrids, so the next generation is really terrible.

I've been growing them for years, even when I was living in apartments with no garden space at all. For really tight space, something like an EarthBox works great - you get very high plant density. I had one of those on a balcony barely bigger than the box itself, and I still had a few fresh tomatoes every week!

Here in the SF bay area, you can sprout the seeds in late Feb, early March, and you've got edible tomatoes by mid may, all the way through October. I'm pretty sure I can build a cheap glass house and have them year round, now that I have back yard.

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