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Re: Leaked Apple emails reveal employees' complaints about toxic work environment

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Post by innocentoldguy »

Blackthorn wrote: post #25
guessmyname wrote: post #24

Why are most of these articles about harassment in the office associated with American companies? Are women from other countries afraid to speak about this? Or are American women just overreacting? In this specific case I understand that insinuating a rape scenario — which by the way is not against women but "everybody" — in a work environment is bad, but without knowing what other toxic comments or behavior happened…

> Why are most of these articles about harassment in the office associated with American companies? Are women from other countries afraid to speak about this? Or are American women just overreacting? There's some other possibilities too, like it's worse in America than in other countries.

I don't know. I haven't been everywhere, of course, but I have traveled extensively for my job, and I think American women have it pretty sweet in the workplace. If they were in Japan, for example, they'd probably be fetching tea all day and getting groped; if not at the office, on the train ride home.

I've seen women objectified and discriminated against a lot more abroad than I have in the U.S.

Re: Leaked Apple emails reveal employees' complaints about toxic work environment

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Post by droopyEyelids »

Blackthorn wrote: post #25
guessmyname wrote: post #24

Why are most of these articles about harassment in the office associated with American companies? Are women from other countries afraid to speak about this? Or are American women just overreacting? In this specific case I understand that insinuating a rape scenario — which by the way is not against women but "everybody" — in a work environment is bad, but without knowing what other toxic comments or behavior happened…

> Why are most of these articles about harassment in the office associated with American companies? Are women from other countries afraid to speak about this? Or are American women just overreacting? There's some other possibilities too, like it's worse in America than in other countries.

America is probably one of the most sexist and racist countries on the planet.

You simply don't hear about other countries experiencing these problems! Maybe some people will share personal anecdotes, but does it constantly make the news elsewhere?

Re: Leaked Apple emails reveal employees' complaints about toxic work environment

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

akshayB wrote: post #22

Problems like this can happen in any company and this includes Apple as well. Since Apple is one of the biggest Tech companies people are going to make a big deal about it. But it is a big failure if managers/management fail to take actions. The immediate manager should be fired in this case since he or she failed to take any action or involve HR or upper management

Step one: execute the manager.

Are there any intermediate disciplinary steps that could occur? People make mistakes all the time, should we hang them out to dry on the first instance?

Re: Leaked Apple emails reveal employees' complaints about toxic work environment

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Post by zaroth »

droopyEyelids wrote: post #32
Blackthorn wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why are most of these articles about harassment in the office associated with American companies? Are women from other countries afraid to speak about this? Or are American women just overreacting? There's some other possibilities too, like it's worse in America than in other countries.

America is probably one of the most sexist and racist countries on the planet. You simply don't hear about other countries experiencing these problems! Maybe some people will share personal anecdotes, but does it constantly make the news elsewhere?

If the country was truly to "most sexist and racist" do you think the events would be so newsworthy?

Re: Leaked Apple emails reveal employees' complaints about toxic work environment

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Post by rjdagost »

akshayB wrote: post #22

Problems like this can happen in any company and this includes Apple as well. Since Apple is one of the biggest Tech companies people are going to make a big deal about it. But it is a big failure if managers/management fail to take actions. The immediate manager should be fired in this case since he or she failed to take any action or involve HR or upper management

Why does it seem like every time someone gets offended about something there are calls for people to get fired? There are other ways to address workplace conflicts than to put heads on sticks. As reported in this article, none of these incidents are grounds for termination- not even close.

Re: Leaked Apple emails reveal employees' complaints about toxic work environment

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Post by rdtsc »

redorb wrote: post #13

Telling someone to smile feels closer to trying to cheer them up than any harassment.

It completely depends how it is said, the tone and the non-verbals. It can be creepy and sexist as well. Some component of it is not just that it was a man vs woman but that it was a manager. Then it can feel patronizing. "Come on! Amuse me with your smile. I don't want to have frowning reports. If you don't smile, no good review at the end of the month" kind of idea

Besides cheering someone up by telling them to smile is like telling a quiet person that they are so quiet. Haven't seen that ever help except make the person even more quiet.

Re: Leaked Apple emails reveal employees' complaints about toxic work environment

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Post by rjdagost »

skandl wrote: post #23
ones_and_zeros wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? If you have a grievance HR or legal is the last place you should turn to as an employee. No matter what your position is it basically starts the process of getting yourself fired.

HR's primary mission is to protect the company from its employees.

No- HR's goal is to protect the company's best interests. Sometimes this coincides with an employee's own best interests, and sometimes this goes against it.

Re: Leaked Apple emails reveal employees' complaints about toxic work environment

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Post by noobermin »

zaroth wrote: post #34
droopyEyelids wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

America is probably one of the most sexist and racist countries on the planet. You simply don't hear about other countries experiencing these problems! Maybe some people will share personal anecdotes, but does it constantly make the news elsewhere?

If the country was truly to "most sexist and racist" do you think the events would be so newsworthy?

I think s/he is being sarcastic.

Re: Leaked Apple emails reveal employees' complaints about toxic work environment

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Post by Razengan »

smnscu wrote: post #29
Blackthorn wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why are most of these articles about harassment in the office associated with American companies? Are women from other countries afraid to speak about this? Or are American women just overreacting? There's some other possibilities too, like it's worse in America than in other countries.

As someone who's spent a fair bit of time in Germany and Switzerland, lol no.

How bad is it there? Care to share?
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