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Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by dave_sullivan »

TenOhms wrote: post #30
ting_bu_dung wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) Now we know Manafort potentially received a cash payment of more than $12 million. Which, I mean, seeing how good he is at running a campaign is clearly money based on competence! 2) Donald Trump's campaign's ONLY intervention in the entire GOP platform was to remove anti-Putin language from the platform re: Ukraine. 3) Not only that, but just days before the RNC, Carter Paige, one of Trump's foreign policy advise…

Do you have a link to evidence in support of #4? #5 was as expected, taken out of context. All Trump said was that if the Russian did hack Hillary's email, that they release the 'lost/deleted' ones, something FBI wants very much as well. #7 that isn't very surprising considering Obama's policies are so far to the left of most Republicans and frankly so seldom make any sense. #8 again, not surprisingly that this was t…

Can you provide a link with evidence it wasn't? Because every article I've seen cites Russia. Applying Occam's razor and asking "Who benefits?" along with everything about Trump's campaign manager, along with proposed policies re: anti-nato and pro-Russian regional invasions, it all leads to Trump being an unwitting or witting agent of Russia. Trump wants some of that oligarch money. Anyone who doesn't see that is being willfully ignorant.

What I love most is how Obama is hated because he's a Muslim agent (despite literally zero evidence), but here's an actual agent of the former-USSR trying to steal an election and these guys are after Hillarys email management. Selective paranoia apparently.

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by ting_bu_dung »

TenOhms wrote: post #30
ting_bu_dung wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) Now we know Manafort potentially received a cash payment of more than $12 million. Which, I mean, seeing how good he is at running a campaign is clearly money based on competence! 2) Donald Trump's campaign's ONLY intervention in the entire GOP platform was to remove anti-Putin language from the platform re: Ukraine. 3) Not only that, but just days before the RNC, Carter Paige, one of Trump's foreign policy advise…

Do you have a link to evidence in support of #4? #5 was as expected, taken out of context. All Trump said was that if the Russian did hack Hillary's email, that they release the 'lost/deleted' ones, something FBI wants very much as well. #7 that isn't very surprising considering Obama's policies are so far to the left of most Republicans and frankly so seldom make any sense. #8 again, not surprisingly that this was t…

4.) https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-hacked-emails-of-dnc-op...

In mid-June, Democratic Party suspicions about the hackers seemed to be confirmed when CrowdStrike, an outside security firm retained by the DNC, reported that it traced the hackers to two separate units linked to Russia’s security services: the FSB, Russia’s equivalent of the FBI, and GRU, the country’s military intelligence agency.

5.) Trump explicitly said "russia, if you're listening, i hope you find hillary's emails"

7.) you're ignoring the fact that putin is a dictator that has $200 billion in wealth, and has committed various heinous crimes to his people and to other countries

8.) trump's anti-NATO remark was so bad, republicans ripped up trump for it http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/trump-nato-new-york-ti...

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by TenOhms »

fhrjchcjdnc wrote: post #8

Can you even imagine the sorts of things Nixon could have gotten away with if he has simple been able to say in his era "I-It was an attempt by the Russians to defame me!"?

And there was a massive groundswell of support within the government to keep 'their team' from losing. Keep in mind the only reason Nixon is such a big deal is because Republicans were equally outraged, at least morally, at what Nixon did. I don't think that would happen today if Obama did something worse and I have my doubts about Republicans too.

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by ihsw »

imglorp wrote: post #17
godzillabrennus wrote: post #3

Cyber war is much preferable to real war. Letting Putin throw the secrets of his enemies into the light to influence an election is probably going to stoke a retaliatory response but another generation of humans will grow up without total war upon them. Mutually assured destruction is a hell of a deterrent.

A full on cyber war would be devastating if well orchestrated. Fortunately for us, it's all been piecemeal so far. Full on cyber war to me looks like a erased economy by zeroing every asset and liability in the banks and funds, with pre-corrupted backups. It looks like bricked firmware on every router, industrial process controller, police/fire radio system, public utilities, even vehicles. It would be like an EMP hi…

Why zero assets, and not fudge the numbers for your benefit?

Why brick routers and SCADA systems, and not spread malware or cause damage?

Why shut down the police/fire radio system, and not air false calls?

Chaos and misinformation is more useful than simply shutting it all down.

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by anjc »

dave_sullivan wrote: post #31
TenOhms wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a link to evidence in support of #4? #5 was as expected, taken out of context. All Trump said was that if the Russian did hack Hillary's email, that they release the 'lost/deleted' ones, something FBI wants very much as well. #7 that isn't very surprising considering Obama's policies are so far to the left of most Republicans and frankly so seldom make any sense. #8 again, not surprisingly that this was t…

Can you provide a link with evidence it wasn't? Because every article I've seen cites Russia. Applying Occam's razor and asking "Who benefits?" along with everything about Trump's campaign manager, along with proposed policies re: anti-nato and pro-Russian regional invasions, it all leads to Trump being an unwitting or witting agent of Russia. Trump wants some of that oligarch money. Anyone who doesn't see that is be…

So just to be clear, you have zero evidence to back up your assertion.

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by zzzeek »

"Others have made the assertions that based on reading some of the DNC emails published by WikiLeaks that George Soros is attempting to influence Hillary Clinton."

"others have made assertions", wow that's some damning evidence! Such garbage on HN

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

#37

Post by andybak »

blfr wrote: post #22
andybak wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Obama is a Socialist" sounds very strange to European ears - he would be a center-right politician at most in the UK or most EU countries. And if you claim that SJWs are big enough threat to US stability to be a sensible target for a hypothetical Russian intervention then I'm not sure we have enough of a shared world-view to have a sensible discussion.

That probably depends where in Europe. Obama supporting gay marriage, accepting thousands of asylum seekers from the Middle East, and trying to legalize millions of illegal immigrants against the legislature, or the whole HUD programme would certainly be a far-far-left politician in Poland. You will rarely hear a politician like that on TV and their parties usually don't gather 5% of the vote required to have a repre…

Understood but none of things equate to being a socialist beyond the fact that certain bundles of policies tend to get lumped into broad 'left' and 'right' buckets at any given point in time (being in favour of more immigration isn't intrinsically left or right - I'd actually argue that it probably has a more natural home among 'right-wing' laissez-faire economic policies).

My point is that Obama would be regarded as far from being a Socialist outside of the US - with it's own peculiar calibration of the political spectrum.

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by igivanov »

dave_sullivan wrote: post #31
TenOhms wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a link to evidence in support of #4? #5 was as expected, taken out of context. All Trump said was that if the Russian did hack Hillary's email, that they release the 'lost/deleted' ones, something FBI wants very much as well. #7 that isn't very surprising considering Obama's policies are so far to the left of most Republicans and frankly so seldom make any sense. #8 again, not surprisingly that this was t…

Can you provide a link with evidence it wasn't? Because every article I've seen cites Russia. Applying Occam's razor and asking "Who benefits?" along with everything about Trump's campaign manager, along with proposed policies re: anti-nato and pro-Russian regional invasions, it all leads to Trump being an unwitting or witting agent of Russia. Trump wants some of that oligarch money. Anyone who doesn't see that is be…

"Who benefits?"

The hawkish neocon establishment, as can be easily observed.

"evidence"

You mean, "code with comments in Russian"? Then I presume if the comments had been in English, it would be evidence of a British involvement? Or maybe Australian?

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

#39

Post by TenOhms »

ting_bu_dung wrote: post #32
TenOhms wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a link to evidence in support of #4? #5 was as expected, taken out of context. All Trump said was that if the Russian did hack Hillary's email, that they release the 'lost/deleted' ones, something FBI wants very much as well. #7 that isn't very surprising considering Obama's policies are so far to the left of most Republicans and frankly so seldom make any sense. #8 again, not surprisingly that this was t…

4.) https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-hacked-emails-of-dnc-op... In mid-June, Democratic Party suspicions about the hackers seemed to be confirmed when CrowdStrike, an outside security firm retained by the DNC, reported that it traced the hackers to two separate units linked to Russia’s security services: the FSB, Russia’s equivalent of the FBI, and GRU, the country’s military intelligence agency. 5.) Trump explic…

If anyone is convinced Russia hacked the DNC, Jake Williams put together a talk[0] about the subject. If you follow him on Twitter, you'll realize quickly he wouldn't dump ice cold water on Trump were he on fire. The reality is there is just no way anyone could honestly claim with the certainty that the DNC has claimed that it was Russia.

[0]https://files.sans.org/summit/Digital_Forensics_and_Incident...

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