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Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by codyb » Mon, Aug 15, 2016, 1:20 PM UTC

tim333 wrote: post #19

Kind of appropriate for the Open Society Foundations' info to be open to society to look at. I doubt it worries them much.

Yea, I saw "to have Obama leave office with a more transparent and clear targeted drone killing policy" (paraphrased) and I thought "hmm, I could get down with that.", and I'm confident the vast majority of open society supporters could as well.

We'll see if anything interesting comes out but it might just make Soros's supporters further assured he's on their side and attempting to do what he and his organization says they're attempting to do.

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by blfr » Mon, Aug 15, 2016, 1:21 PM UTC

andybak wrote: post #20

DominikR wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no proof whatsoever that Russia released these materials. In case of the North Korean hacks the US government raised the issue at the UN and provided proof for it to justify sanctions. None of this happened here. I suspect that the Democrats and the very biased media are attempting to divert attention from the content of these leaks away. (like for example Soros basically telling Hillary what to do regarding…

"Obama is a Socialist" sounds very strange to European ears - he would be a center-right politician at most in the UK or most EU countries. And if you claim that SJWs are big enough threat to US stability to be a sensible target for a hypothetical Russian intervention then I'm not sure we have enough of a shared world-view to have a sensible discussion.

That probably depends where in Europe. Obama supporting gay marriage, accepting thousands of asylum seekers from the Middle East, and trying to legalize millions of illegal immigrants against the legislature, or the whole HUD programme would certainly be a far-far-left politician in Poland. You will rarely hear a politician like that on TV and their parties usually don't gather 5% of the vote required to have a representation in the parliament. Not to mention winning national elections.

He does some things which are in the interest of large corporations or sponsors but that's less about political views and really more of an acceptable form of corruption. Corrupt politicians are of course in stores everywhere pretending to believe any ideology they need to.

And it's not just Poland. I'm sceptical of this political conversion to metric in general.

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by piotrjurkiewicz » Mon, Aug 15, 2016, 1:26 PM UTC

tim333 wrote: post #18

piotrjurkiewicz wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact the agenda isn't hidden does not make it less evil. I remind you that Soros (through his Open Society Foundations) supports illegal immigration and people smuggling into the EU: http://news.sky.com/story/sky-finds-handbook-for-eu-bound-mi... His organizations and owned media regularly attack every politician or activist who is against uncontrolled immigration, all over the Europe. His goal apparently is to i…

I'd be surprised if inducing religious and racial tensions to destabilize Europe was Soros' goal. Any evidence from non anti-semitic sources? I'm not surprised he'd be pro refugee. He was a refugee himself.

Is Soros himself an anti-semitic source as well?

- national borders as the obstacle

“His plan treats the protection of national borders as the objective and the refugees as an obstacle,” he said in the statement. “Our plan treats the protection of refugees as the objective and national borders as the obstacle.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-30/orban-accu...

- at least a million asylum-seekers annually

First, the EU has to accept at least a million asylum-seekers annually for the foreseeable future.

https://www.project-syndicate.org/print/rebuilding-refugee-a...

- provide €15,000 per migrant

- EU should borrow money to finance that

The EU should provide €15,000 ($16,800) per asylum-seeker for each of the first two years to help cover housing, health care, and education costs – and to make accepting refugees more appealing to member states. It can raise these funds by issuing long-term bonds using its largely untapped AAA borrowing capacity, which will have the added benefit of providing a justified fiscal stimulus to the European economy.

https://www.project-syndicate.org/print/rebuilding-refugee-a...

- new EU-wide tax to repay these debts

Member states could raise new tax revenue in order to fund what is needed.

The answer is that the EU and its member states must find new sources of tax revenue, and do so in a way that spreads the repayment obligation as widely as possible. This could be done by levying special EU-wide taxes. The new tax revenue could come from a variety of sources, including the EU-wide VAT, which already provides revenue to the EU; a special tax on gasoline...

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/04/09/europe-how-pay-for-r...

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by empath75 » Mon, Aug 15, 2016, 1:30 PM UTC

piotrjurkiewicz wrote: post #15

runn1ng wrote: post #12

Nothing in this data leads me to believe Soros does anything more than he states he does. There doesn't seem to be any hidden agenda or any evil master-plan.

The fact the agenda isn't hidden does not make it less evil. I remind you that Soros (through his Open Society Foundations) supports illegal immigration and people smuggling into the EU: http://news.sky.com/story/sky-finds-handbook-for-eu-bound-mi... His organizations and owned media regularly attack every politician or activist who is against uncontrolled immigration, all over the Europe. His goal apparently is to i…

That someone supports a political agenda you disagree with does not make them nefarious and this kind of rhetoric really spoils the whole political process.

There are a lot of humanitarian reasons why someone might support migration to Europe from an active war zone, you know.

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by dpweb » Mon, Aug 15, 2016, 1:36 PM UTC

There is alot at stake in blaming Russia for the breaches. This was broadcasted, without evidence? and readily accepted by the public.

For this reason it's essential that some security experts outside the standard government contractor "experts" validate or at least weigh the evidence implicating the Russian state as the attackers.

- Security contractors have financial interests in going along with the popular political line / pleasing the govt.

- Groupthink

- Russian actor involvement does not mean Russian state involvement

- There's benefit in claiming, only a state actor could have done this, to defend one's security system that is in fact weak enough that several non-state actors could have penetrated it

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by Dolores12 » Mon, Aug 15, 2016, 2:00 PM UTC

piotrjurkiewicz wrote: post #15

runn1ng wrote: post #12

Nothing in this data leads me to believe Soros does anything more than he states he does. There doesn't seem to be any hidden agenda or any evil master-plan.

The fact the agenda isn't hidden does not make it less evil. I remind you that Soros (through his Open Society Foundations) supports illegal immigration and people smuggling into the EU: http://news.sky.com/story/sky-finds-handbook-for-eu-bound-mi... His organizations and owned media regularly attack every politician or activist who is against uncontrolled immigration, all over the Europe. His goal apparently is to i…

> And who benefits the most on European countries problems and EU dismantle? > Russia.

So Soros's agenda is to help Russia? That makes no sense.

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Aug 15, 2016, 2:00 PM UTC

zby wrote: post #5

The question we have now is can it be done by enemies of freedom and still lead to more freedom? There is the logic of polarisation, of fight - both sides use whatever comes their way to weaken the opposite. Russia wants to weaken the USA, so they expose the political dirt to destabilize, and that works in the short term - but I like to think that in the long term it removes the dirt and makes the free system stronge…

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Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by saiya-jin » Mon, Aug 15, 2016, 2:01 PM UTC

nikolay wrote: post #14

We, the people of Eastern Europe, already know this geopolitical Satan intimately!

yeah, he is well known ahole, that's for sure. don't look for any altruism/good intentions in his actions, rather ice cold calculation on how to make profit on it in longer term, regardless of consequences

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by ting_bu_dung » Mon, Aug 15, 2016, 2:06 PM UTC

dpweb wrote: post #25

There is alot at stake in blaming Russia for the breaches. This was broadcasted, without evidence? and readily accepted by the public. For this reason it's essential that some security experts outside the standard government contractor "experts" validate or at least weigh the evidence implicating the Russian state as the attackers. - Security contractors have financial interests in going along with the popular politi…

1) Now we know Manafort potentially received a cash payment of more than $12 million. Which, I mean, seeing how good he is at running a campaign is clearly money based on competence!

2) Donald Trump's campaign's ONLY intervention in the entire GOP platform was to remove anti-Putin language from the platform re: Ukraine.

3) Not only that, but just days before the RNC, Carter Paige, one of Trump's foreign policy advisers traveled to Russia and gave a speech attacking America's policies towards Russia, calling America's focus on democratization and fighting inequality "hypocritical."

4) The Intelligence community has confirmed that Russian Intelligence is responsible for the hacking of the DNC, which is an obvious attempt to harm Hillary Clinton's campaign.

5) Furthermore, Donald Trump called on Russia to release/hack any emails they could get their hands on.

6) Trump's campaign manager has ties to pro-Putin oligarchs who were propped up by the Kremlin. This isn't new information. As long ago as 2005, there were calls to McCain's people to try and do something about Manafort because he was working against American interests in the region.

7) Trump has praised Putin numerous times, calling him a far better leader than Obama.

8) Donald Trump has taken an anti-NATO stance.

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by TenOhms » Mon, Aug 15, 2016, 2:19 PM UTC

ting_bu_dung wrote: post #29

dpweb wrote: post #25

There is alot at stake in blaming Russia for the breaches. This was broadcasted, without evidence? and readily accepted by the public. For this reason it's essential that some security experts outside the standard government contractor "experts" validate or at least weigh the evidence implicating the Russian state as the attackers. - Security contractors have financial interests in going along with the popular politi…

1) Now we know Manafort potentially received a cash payment of more than $12 million. Which, I mean, seeing how good he is at running a campaign is clearly money based on competence! 2) Donald Trump's campaign's ONLY intervention in the entire GOP platform was to remove anti-Putin language from the platform re: Ukraine. 3) Not only that, but just days before the RNC, Carter Paige, one of Trump's foreign policy advise…

Do you have a link to evidence in support of #4?

#5 was as expected, taken out of context. All Trump said was that if the Russian did hack Hillary's email, that they release the 'lost/deleted' ones, something FBI wants very much as well.

#7 that isn't very surprising considering Obama's policies are so far to the left of most Republicans and frankly so seldom make any sense.

#8 again, not surprisingly that this was taken out of context by someone. Trump correctly pointed out that NATO has serious issues that need some tough love if they're going to be resolved.