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Re: Disney stops making video games in house – insiders reveal what went wrong

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Post by easyfrag »

de_Selby wrote: post #25
wobbleblob wrote: post #21

> One of the most common refrains among ex-Disney staffers was that Disney had a strong aversion to risk. Now why does that not surprise me. Disney stopped making art somewhere in the 1940's (fantasia) and started shipping product. I didn't share people's relief that the force awakens at least didn't suck like the prequels. The writing was so derivative as to almost make it a remake. Instead of Jar Jar Binks, the com…

I was very confused by the good reviews too, it was literally the exact same story as A New Hope. I don't hold much hope for the next films.

I agree but I look at it as palate cleaner after the prequels, that being said in episode 8 Finn better not end up in carbonite.

Re: Disney stops making video games in house – insiders reveal what went wrong

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Post by bitJericho »

wobbleblob wrote: post #29
bitJericho wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, unless you're an angsty teen, you weren't meant to relate to emo-vader, er, Kylo Ren. You were meant to relate to Han Solo. But you'd only relate if you're a parent. If not, then I guess there's always Traitor-guy. Yes the new episode is derivative. That's because it is how epics are told. It will diverge on the next two episodes from the original trilogy, unless Disney gets scared... that would be a huge disa…

> You were meant to relate to Han Solo Funny coincidence: the other day my youngest stabbed me with her light saber edit: spoiler alert. If you don't want to read spoilers, don't read the sentence above.

Yeah yeah keep making jokes but once you have a teenage son you'll understand D:

Re: Disney stops making video games in house – insiders reveal what went wrong

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Post by gambiting »

de_Selby wrote: post #25
wobbleblob wrote: post #21

> One of the most common refrains among ex-Disney staffers was that Disney had a strong aversion to risk. Now why does that not surprise me. Disney stopped making art somewhere in the 1940's (fantasia) and started shipping product. I didn't share people's relief that the force awakens at least didn't suck like the prequels. The writing was so derivative as to almost make it a remake. Instead of Jar Jar Binks, the com…

I was very confused by the good reviews too, it was literally the exact same story as A New Hope. I don't hold much hope for the next films.

The film had the impossible task of pleasing both old and new viewers of the franchise. It succeeded immensely in that regard, old viewers could recognize the nods to the old trilogy, while new viewers were presented with a very well made film that (in my opinion) surpasses the original trilogy in literally every way. If I had to rate it I would definitely rate it higher than new hope.

Re: Disney stops making video games in house – insiders reveal what went wrong

#34

Post by molmalo »

acz wrote: post #27

And there you have Ron Gilbert asking Disney to sell him Monkey Island IP back, to proceed with a sequel: >Dear @Disney, now that you're not making games, please sell me my Monkey Island and Mansion Mansion IP. I'll pay real actual money for them. src: https://twitter.com/grumpygamer/status/734843964709175297

They may give him a license, but Disney is an IP black hole, they wont sell it back. And considering its very close to Pirates of the Caribbean, there's even less chance of that happening any time soon.

In my opinion, what Disney should be doing, is contact Ron, and make Guybrush and LeChuck appear in the next Pirates of the Caribbean movie, to introduce them to a new generation who does not have any idea of who they are (Guybrush being a young naive boy again would fit pretty well for this job). After all, PotC and MI universes are pretty compatible, it should be easy to make it look like they are both in the same universe/time.

Then, they could either make MI a spin-off (preferably), or make Guybrush be a new sidekick to Sparrow (but please, dont make him a silly Robin).

And then, give Ron full freedom to work with that IP as he wishes... (and pay him accordingly, or better, give him a nice % of royalties).

If they don't want to sell the IP, at least, this way they could make some money with it (instead of letting it rot in a drawer), without risking their PotC franchise, letting Ron continue the story, and making us fans happy in the process!!

Re: Disney stops making video games in house – insiders reveal what went wrong

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Post by douche »

wobbleblob wrote: post #21

> One of the most common refrains among ex-Disney staffers was that Disney had a strong aversion to risk. Now why does that not surprise me. Disney stopped making art somewhere in the 1940's (fantasia) and started shipping product. I didn't share people's relief that the force awakens at least didn't suck like the prequels. The writing was so derivative as to almost make it a remake. Instead of Jar Jar Binks, the com…

Wildly overrated movie. I tried rewatching it on a plane a couple weeks ago, and it really doesn't stand up to repeat viewings. Apparently there is a novelization that patches up all the many, many plot points that were unexplained or made no sense in the movie script, but the movie is really just another lazy JJ Abrams production. Then you notice how, like Jurassic World, nearly every scene is a blatant callback to something from the original film.

Unfortunately, you could package two hours of film of an actual gold-plated turd, and it would make a billion dollars if it had the Star Wars name on it.

Re: Disney stops making video games in house – insiders reveal what went wrong

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Post by douche »

de_Selby wrote: post #25
wobbleblob wrote: post #21

> One of the most common refrains among ex-Disney staffers was that Disney had a strong aversion to risk. Now why does that not surprise me. Disney stopped making art somewhere in the 1940's (fantasia) and started shipping product. I didn't share people's relief that the force awakens at least didn't suck like the prequels. The writing was so derivative as to almost make it a remake. Instead of Jar Jar Binks, the com…

I was very confused by the good reviews too, it was literally the exact same story as A New Hope. I don't hold much hope for the next films.

Rogue One looks somewhat promising - but it is going in a little bit different direction as a stand-alone spinoff, not having to carry the weight of the franchise.

Although I still think any movie called Rogue One should be about Rogue Squadron and Wedge Antilles... But then again, I really fell in love with Star Wars reading the X-Wing novel series.

Re: Disney stops making video games in house – insiders reveal what went wrong

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Post by wobbleblob »

gambiting wrote: post #33
de_Selby wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was very confused by the good reviews too, it was literally the exact same story as A New Hope. I don't hold much hope for the next films.

The film had the impossible task of pleasing both old and new viewers of the franchise. It succeeded immensely in that regard, old viewers could recognize the nods to the old trilogy, while new viewers were presented with a very well made film that (in my opinion) surpasses the original trilogy in literally every way. If I had to rate it I would definitely rate it higher than new hope.

I didn't say it wasn't well made, I didn't like the writing. There were so many nods to the old trilogy that my neck started to hurt.

Spoiler alert!

Young adventurer on a desert planet unaware of their Jedi powers?

Resourceful, commanding, brutally competent as well as sexy young princess?

Help from a reluctant rogue with his hairy side kick, on the run from crime lord that he tried to swindle?

A tall masked dark side antagonist, apprentice of a mysterious emperor type guy?

An evil empire vs a rebel alliance?

Secret plans hidden in robot?

Quest to find hermit Jedi master?

Quest to destroy a planet killing Death Star?

The most original part of the writing was merging the adventurer and the princess into one character and making the Vader part an annoying teenager.

Re: Disney stops making video games in house – insiders reveal what went wrong

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Post by stuaxo »

Animats wrote: post #2

Acquiring and trashing companies is seriously annoying. Disney did this to about a half dozen game companies. Google is doing it to about a half dozen robotics companies. In both cases, the acquisitions were initially seen as positive. In both cases, the parent company had no clue what to do with what they bought. I have a friend who works at a company recently acquired by Microsoft, a company whose product was not M…

So many times a company isn't good at something, buys someone smaller and faster that is, and then imposes their way of doing things on the acquisition killing it.

Re: Disney stops making video games in house – insiders reveal what went wrong

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Post by gambiting »

wobbleblob wrote: post #37
gambiting wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The film had the impossible task of pleasing both old and new viewers of the franchise. It succeeded immensely in that regard, old viewers could recognize the nods to the old trilogy, while new viewers were presented with a very well made film that (in my opinion) surpasses the original trilogy in literally every way. If I had to rate it I would definitely rate it higher than new hope.

I didn't say it wasn't well made, I didn't like the writing. There were so many nods to the old trilogy that my neck started to hurt. Spoiler alert! Young adventurer on a desert planet unaware of their Jedi powers? Resourceful, commanding, brutally competent as well as sexy young princess? Help from a reluctant rogue with his hairy side kick, on the run from crime lord that he tried to swindle? A tall masked dark sid…

I agree with all of the above, but I don't see any of that as a problem. I would not hold "too similar to new hope" as an issue with this film. If anything, it was a good thing in my opinion.

Re: Disney stops making video games in house – insiders reveal what went wrong

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Post by a_imho »

de_Selby wrote: post #25
wobbleblob wrote: post #21

> One of the most common refrains among ex-Disney staffers was that Disney had a strong aversion to risk. Now why does that not surprise me. Disney stopped making art somewhere in the 1940's (fantasia) and started shipping product. I didn't share people's relief that the force awakens at least didn't suck like the prequels. The writing was so derivative as to almost make it a remake. Instead of Jar Jar Binks, the com…

I was very confused by the good reviews too, it was literally the exact same story as A New Hope. I don't hold much hope for the next films.

Imo it is not very surprising, classical hype machine thing to the t. Even if we don't need to be told what to like, it is easier to play along and pretend we enjoyed it, even convince ourselves it was good, than admitting we were lead on and it is pretty bland. Of course, Occam is screaming every time a big budget IP blockbuster is coming, we just prefer not to pay attention. Without hindsight I might add.

The next films will play out the same I have no doubts about them. Emperor's new clothes and all that. Not disrespecting anyone who will genuinely like them of course.

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