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The epistemology of pizza
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Re: The epistemology of pizza
#32As a barese, I cannot let it go: here in Bari there is a total separation between pizza and focaccia. I know in other parts of Italy the difference is smoothered, but A pizza is only made in pizzeria, is baked directly into the wood stove, over the marble A focaccia is only made in panificio, is baked into a baking tray Btw a focaccia barese is a total specific thing (always with oil, olive, and tomato pieces) it was…
This is the big issue with 'defining' pizza and many other Italian dishes - Italians themselves can't decide how it should be and love to debate these things over and over (usually while eating food)! Carbonara is another highly debated dish - here in Roma (where it is was supposedly born ~50 years ago) some people insist you only need egg, where as others insist you need egg and cheese (and then there is the debate…
I am slightly biased being part Italian, but we should celebrate diversity. Italy was unified only in 1860 – the area was various republics/city-states/etc prior to that. I love the regional variations of dishes. I love the Italian people's passion for food.
Re: The epistemology of pizza
#33A diversion into the pedantic, but hear me out: I'm legitimately interested in terminology here. This actually seems more like ontology work than epistemology work. In one of my academic fields (I do software, education, and the learning sciences), we tend to use the term "epistemology" to be knowledge about knowledge itself. Generally questions like "where does the ontology of pizza come from?", or "who has claim on…
I am using the term "ontology" to mean "a description of truth", and "epistemology" to mean "how do we know what truth is". Of course, these are philosophical definitions, which (as the article says) are not necessarily that applicable.
The article in question uses OWL -- which is a subset of first order logic -- to illustrate the point. Clojure is (in this article) just a syntactic wrapping.
Re: The epistemology of pizza
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's about pizza not fruit. This article is light-hearted of course. But there are food ontologies for real -- the BBC have one for organising their recipes. And there is another which is used for food crops, which is used for research into disease (of the crops), and helping to alleviate hunger.
Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
In which category would we place the needless repetition of trite sayings?
Re: The epistemology of pizza
#35A diversion into the pedantic, but hear me out: I'm legitimately interested in terminology here. This actually seems more like ontology work than epistemology work. In one of my academic fields (I do software, education, and the learning sciences), we tend to use the term "epistemology" to be knowledge about knowledge itself. Generally questions like "where does the ontology of pizza come from?", or "who has claim on…
I am using the term "ontology" to mean "a description of truth", and "epistemology" to mean "how do we know what truth is". Of course, these are philosophical definitions, which (as the article says) are not necessarily that applicable. The article in question uses OWL -- which is a subset of first order logic -- to illustrate the point. Clojure is (in this article) just a syntactic wrapping.
Ah, that certainly makes sense. The article was a hoot, BTW - speaking as both a philosophy geek and food geek.
Re: The epistemology of pizza
#36As a barese, I cannot let it go: here in Bari there is a total separation between pizza and focaccia. I know in other parts of Italy the difference is smoothered, but A pizza is only made in pizzeria, is baked directly into the wood stove, over the marble A focaccia is only made in panificio, is baked into a baking tray Btw a focaccia barese is a total specific thing (always with oil, olive, and tomato pieces) it was…
This is the big issue with 'defining' pizza and many other Italian dishes - Italians themselves can't decide how it should be and love to debate these things over and over (usually while eating food)! Carbonara is another highly debated dish - here in Roma (where it is was supposedly born ~50 years ago) some people insist you only need egg, where as others insist you need egg and cheese (and then there is the debate…
> Even the word for bags in a supermarket can't be agreed on. Here we use "buste", where as in the north they use "sacchetto". Our word there means envelope, so obviously you will get a funny look if you ask for three envelopes when paying for your groceries (the joke is on us though, we use that word for envelope too :P).
Ha, that reminds me of sac in the north of France versus poche (the word northerners would use for the thing in their trousers) as used in the south(-west?) to designate a plastic bag in a supermarket...
Re: The epistemology of pizza
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am using the term "ontology" to mean "a description of truth", and "epistemology" to mean "how do we know what truth is". Of course, these are philosophical definitions, which (as the article says) are not necessarily that applicable. The article in question uses OWL -- which is a subset of first order logic -- to illustrate the point. Clojure is (in this article) just a syntactic wrapping.
Ah, that certainly makes sense. The article was a hoot, BTW - speaking as both a philosophy geek and food geek.
Thank you!
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
To complicate the matter, if you ever find yourself in the Italian region of Apulia (and possibly other southern regions), you should say "focaccia" even though you really mean "pizza", because "pizza" stands for "penis".
[citation needed]. My wife is from Apulia, and we visit the region multiple times a year. Never heard of this, always called a 'pizza' by its name there.
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cazzo
Look for "Puglia". Looks like what I said is true for Taranto, but my ex girlfriend was from Brindisi and she was the one who told me about this.
Might depend on whether you actually speak dialect, methinks.
Re: The epistemology of pizza
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
[citation needed]. My wife is from Apulia, and we visit the region multiple times a year. Never heard of this, always called a 'pizza' by its name there.
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cazzo Look for "Puglia". Looks like what I said is true for Taranto, but my ex girlfriend was from Brindisi and she was the one who told me about this. Might depend on whether you actually speak dialect, methinks.
Great citation, have an upvote.
My wife is from the southern Salento where, as the wikipage itself shows, a different term is used. As it is common in Italy often dialects radically change withing a dozen kilometers.
Anyway, I do have good friends from Taranto, and this never came up; then again, there are so many synonyms of 'penis' in Italian and its dialects that if we were to avoid all of them we would have to rip out half of the dictionary.
Re: The epistemology of pizza
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cazzo Look for "Puglia". Looks like what I said is true for Taranto, but my ex girlfriend was from Brindisi and she was the one who told me about this. Might depend on whether you actually speak dialect, methinks.
Great citation, have an upvote. My wife is from the southern Salento where, as the wikipage itself shows, a different term is used. As it is common in Italy often dialects radically change withing a dozen kilometers. Anyway, I do have good friends from Taranto, and this never came up; then again, there are so many synonyms of 'penis' in Italian and its dialects that if we were to avoid all of them we would have to ri…
True that :) Yes, dialects change even from my hometown to the next, which is at about 30 km. They have a similar but different word for "Thursday", for instance. Not to mention the change in accents within the same province.
This kind of richness is going to get lost as fewer and fewer people are taught the dialect of their own region (I reckon many parents think it is "uncool" or something), but I'm getting off topic :)