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The epistemology of pizza

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Re: The epistemology of pizza

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The fruits of twenty years semantic web research.

It's about pizza not fruit. This article is light-hearted of course. But there are food ontologies for real -- the BBC have one for organising their recipes. And there is another which is used for food crops, which is used for research into disease (of the crops), and helping to alleviate hunger.

Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.

Re: The epistemology of pizza

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> a pizza bianca without mozzarella is a focaccia It is completely wrong! Pizza and focaccia have a completely different mixture.

A fundamentally different bread dough? Please do tell. My mind is open!

Depends on the leavening agent (or not). I would argue that flat breads, yeast leavened, and sour doughs are all pretty different.

Sour dough pizza is pretty nice. Not sure it's allowed according to the book though...

Re: The epistemology of pizza

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> a pizza bianca without mozzarella is a focaccia It is completely wrong! Pizza and focaccia have a completely different mixture.

To complicate the matter, if you ever find yourself in the Italian region of Apulia (and possibly other southern regions), you should say "focaccia" even though you really mean "pizza", because "pizza" stands for "penis".

Re: The epistemology of pizza

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I have been living in Rome for 2 1/2 months, and I still can't figure out a consensus on what the different types of pizza are! I miss Pizza Hut stuffed-crust pepperoni (with pretzel crust flavor)!!!!

In fact Rome is not the right place to understand what is pizza. You should go Naples. Keep in mind that Italy is made of a lot, really a lot of cultures. It is not the same to stay in Naples than in Rome. Naples was a Greek colony, Rome was an Etruscan colony. If you are in Rome you can understand what is carbonara, matriciana, abbacchio, etc. If you ask for a pizza you are astray.

Although I agree with you I would take note that Naples being a Greek colony and Rome an Etruscan colony do not have much to do with differences in pizza matters. Those societies and the appearance of pizza have a couple of millenia between them.

Re: The epistemology of pizza

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's about pizza not fruit. This article is light-hearted of course. But there are food ontologies for real -- the BBC have one for organising their recipes. And there is another which is used for food crops, which is used for research into disease (of the crops), and helping to alleviate hunger.

Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.

Alternatively, understanding is recognizing that a tomato is actually a berry; mastery is not trying to make a tomato shortcake.

Re: The epistemology of pizza

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I have been living in Rome for 2 1/2 months, and I still can't figure out a consensus on what the different types of pizza are! I miss Pizza Hut stuffed-crust pepperoni (with pretzel crust flavor)!!!!

In fact Rome is not the right place to understand what is pizza. You should go Naples. Keep in mind that Italy is made of a lot, really a lot of cultures. It is not the same to stay in Naples than in Rome. Naples was a Greek colony, Rome was an Etruscan colony. If you are in Rome you can understand what is carbonara, matriciana, abbacchio, etc. If you ask for a pizza you are astray.

"JUST GIVE ME A GODDAMN CUP OF COFFEE!"

Re: The epistemology of pizza

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In fact Rome is not the right place to understand what is pizza. You should go Naples. Keep in mind that Italy is made of a lot, really a lot of cultures. It is not the same to stay in Naples than in Rome. Naples was a Greek colony, Rome was an Etruscan colony. If you are in Rome you can understand what is carbonara, matriciana, abbacchio, etc. If you ask for a pizza you are astray.

Although I agree with you I would take note that Naples being a Greek colony and Rome an Etruscan colony do not have much to do with differences in pizza matters. Those societies and the appearance of pizza have a couple of millenia between them.

Not so sure about that ... old habits die hard. In albanian "pite" is a pizza like bread. And albanians and greek cultures shared some stuff.

Re: The epistemology of pizza

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A diversion into the pedantic, but hear me out: I'm legitimately interested in terminology here.

This actually seems more like ontology work than epistemology work. In one of my academic fields (I do software, education, and the learning sciences), we tend to use the term "epistemology" to be knowledge about knowledge itself. Generally questions like "where does the ontology of pizza come from?", or "who has claim on saying what is and is not a pizza, and where do they derive that claim?" are epistemological ones, and mapping out the state of different claims are ontological ones.

Is 'epistemology', as used here to mean more of a meta-ontology a common word usement that's being structured these days? Is it something from clojure or one of the other lisp-y spaces people are building ontologies? I played with building ontologies about epistemology (specifically, nature of science, quality of scientific claim, etc) using KQML back in the Dark Ages of 2000 or so, but haven't really looked at the work since then.

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