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Re: One Minute of All-Out Exercise May Have Benefits of 45 Minutes of Moderate

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Post by SCAQTony » Tue, May 03, 2016, 2:13 PM UTC

"All out" is relative. "All out to an Olympian means the "brink of death" or (220+ heartbeats per minute) and none of these people went all out for a whole minute; it was 20-seconds, three times.

Reading what they did, The warmup seems too short and no real warm down to relax the muscles as needed.

"...volunteers warmed up for two minutes on stationary bicycles, then pedaled as hard as possible for 20 seconds; rode at a very slow pace for two minutes, sprinted all-out again for 20 seconds; recovered with slow riding for another two minutes; pedaled all-out for a final 20 seconds; then cooled down for three minutes. The entire workout lasted 10 minutes, with only one minute of that time being strenuous. ..."

Re: One Minute of All-Out Exercise May Have Benefits of 45 Minutes of Moderate

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Post by sudojudo » Tue, May 03, 2016, 2:13 PM UTC

brightball wrote: post #5

I lost 40 lbs after high school by working out 10 minutes / night. Pushups til I couldn't anymore. Crunches til I couldn't anymore. Hitting a punching bag til I couldn't anymore and when that was all done, wall sits til I couldn't anymore. The first three I went as hard and fast as I could. Best shape I've ever been in.

>I lost 40 lbs after high school by working out

Nice work. Please don't take this the wrong way, but it should be noted for anyone struggling to lose weight: Weight loss is 99% diet (calories in, calories out).

Work out all day long, but if you're at a caloric surplus, you're going to gain weight. Never work out, but eat less than you burn, and you'll lose weight.

That said, there are countless benefits to regular exercise, so don't overlook it.

Re: One Minute of All-Out Exercise May Have Benefits of 45 Minutes of Moderate

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Post by jazzyk » Tue, May 03, 2016, 2:15 PM UTC

nathan_f77 wrote: post #24

I've been doing this every day for the last 4 or 5 days, after reading a article about the same study. Basically I sprint around my apartment as fast as possible, try to do clapping pushups as high as possible, do a few forward rolls, jump as high as possible and try to touch the ceiling, and then repeat for as long as I can. I'm having a lot of fun, and I think it's definitely better than nothing. I think it's might…

>I'm having a lot of fun

Are your downstairs' neighbors having as much fun? :-)

Re: One Minute of All-Out Exercise May Have Benefits of 45 Minutes of Moderate

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Post by infodroid » Tue, May 03, 2016, 2:17 PM UTC

xivzgrev wrote: post #12

Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick bait. Its not exercise for 1 minute. Its exercise for 10 minutes, with 1 minute of that being all out. The actual comparison is 10 minutes vs 45, not 1 minute vs 45 as headline says. I think author could have said as effectively 10 minutes of interval exercise may have benefits of 45 minutes of moderate exercise

Recent click-bait discussion from 4 days ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11589523

Re: One Minute of All-Out Exercise May Have Benefits of 45 Minutes of Moderate

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Post by Jtsummers » Tue, May 03, 2016, 2:19 PM UTC

kyllo wrote: post #27

cm2187 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the other thing is to keep focused for 45-90min on a bicycle in a gym, with nothing else to watch than wrestling and Justin Bieber in loop. That's where the real effort is.

That's why it's better to play sports. Exercise is more enjoyable when it's competitive. Don't punish yourself with exercise, reward yourself with play.

Or find a sport and find exercises to improve it. That's what I did. Soccer is fun, we often lose, but I love my team. We're pretty much considered the best sportsmen in our league (everyone respects us and enjoys playing with us because we treat everyone well, whether we're winning or losing). I took up running so I could play better.

I took up BJJ (individual rather than team sport) as a way to fill my evenings, and to try to get back into martial arts. I've taken up a strength training (bodyweight) as a way to improve myself there.

The exercise isn't always fun, but it has a purpose beyond "run faster" or "lift more" (though those are fine goals as well, just insufficient motivators for me).

Re: One Minute of All-Out Exercise May Have Benefits of 45 Minutes of Moderate

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Post by rasz_pl » Tue, May 03, 2016, 2:24 PM UTC

7 minute abs are here!

Re: One Minute of All-Out Exercise May Have Benefits of 45 Minutes of Moderate

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Post by logicallee » Tue, May 03, 2016, 3:09 PM UTC

brightball wrote: post #5

I lost 40 lbs after high school by working out 10 minutes / night. Pushups til I couldn't anymore. Crunches til I couldn't anymore. Hitting a punching bag til I couldn't anymore and when that was all done, wall sits til I couldn't anymore. The first three I went as hard and fast as I could. Best shape I've ever been in.

Bodybuilders rotate body parts so that those can recover for a day or two. If they could work them out faster by working them out every day, they would.

So I wish some study did what you did, but had groups doing what you did (all-out for ten minutes every day), a group going all out for ten minutes but every 2 days, a group each doing the same but every 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 60, 70, 80 days respectively.

Obviously (or not so obviously!!) you'll get only a small percentage of the benefits as you go up in number of recovery days. But 10 minutes every 15 days for example is 4 hours a year. Is it possible that 4 hours a year of all-out exercise is the difference between fit and +30 lbs?

Attached is my prediction of the results, based on the reasoning in my first paragraph. Doing it every day has been a baseline of "100%" based on what you said "Best shape I've ever been in." The only thing I'm sure about is that it must go up with a couple of days of rest. My attached chart: http://imgur.com/WwbpDhq

It's a genuine experiment and I'd like to see someone do it. Also key is the "all-out" part.

By the way, having noticed that certain physical professions, where everyone eats similarly, and does similar labor, are associated with certain builds, I thought I might be able to answer the question for myself, if I found a profession like moving man but where people only are called to, say, load and unload something manually, twice a month or once a month. However, I couldn't think of any such professions. Hence the idea of a controlled experiment! (Control = daily exercise.)

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Historical coal shoveler: https://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ln0k8ensdg1qd7ygho1_500.j...

Marines: http://storyfeeds.com/wp-content/uploads/Shirtless-Marines-t...

Rail track layer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manual_labour#/media/File:RAIL...

Moving men: http://www.movers.com/images/companies/gallery/937.jpg

since that picture has the company called "muscular moving men" you might think it's not a result of their job, so compare:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/emb/7237524340

compare arms (similar) and chest with lower abs and think of the tasks of moving men.

Re: One Minute of All-Out Exercise May Have Benefits of 45 Minutes of Moderate

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Post by cclements » Tue, May 03, 2016, 4:37 PM UTC

cujo wrote: post #22

ck2 wrote: post #6

This is nonsense. Like people saying oh you can lose weight by being cold or breathing harder/more. Sure there is science behind it but in the end it does not promote maintainable lifestyles. One minute all out may help athletes already in shape push to the next level. Like at the end of my long distance runs, I do a wind-sprint all out. But regular people doing regular exercise benefit much more mentally from learni…

I think you're confusing a trained person training to get better with a sedentary person training to not be sedentary. In the weight training community there's a thing everyone calls "newb gains". It's basically this study in played out in a weightroom. In a nutshell, it's that you don't need interesting training programs or massive amounts of gym time to get started. Just a few basic lifts a few times a week. Once y…

Good points. I'm in the camp that sees the claimed benefits of SIT as a logical extension of cardio exercise to the set/rest/set approach of weightlifting, but this study doesn't really answer that question. I'd really like to see an "equal time" comparison group to account for newb gains (e.g. MICT for 10 min vs SIT for 10 min) as well as directly compare the effect of the different approaches.

Re: One Minute of All-Out Exercise May Have Benefits of 45 Minutes of Moderate

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Post by macavity23 » Tue, May 03, 2016, 7:02 PM UTC

To anyone trying this: make sure you warm up first and stretch afterwards. One minute of instant-on full-intensity exercise of any kind is just begging for an injury.

Especially if you're not eighteen any more like me.

Re: One Minute of All-Out Exercise May Have Benefits of 45 Minutes of Moderate

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Post by Jtsummers » Tue, May 03, 2016, 7:32 PM UTC

macavity23 wrote: post #39

To anyone trying this: make sure you warm up first and stretch afterwards. One minute of instant-on full-intensity exercise of any kind is just begging for an injury. Especially if you're not eighteen any more like me.

The routine in the study included a 2 minute warm up and 3 minute cool down, with 2 minute rests between 20 second sprints. The reporting on this study is frustrating since they keep implying and/or stating that it's 1 minute of exercise. It's 1 minute of strenuous exercise.