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Aw, I didn't think I'd need the detestable "/s", Jacques :(
Hehe, ok then. You had me wondering there.
And Poe's law strikes again...
Thomas Quick: The serial killer who wasn't
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Re: Thomas Quick: The serial killer who wasn't
#32I remember watching the documentaries about him in the 90's. As I understand it, there was scant technical evidence against him but he produced some very detailed and convincing confessions of his murders. One which he retold in an interview was him sneaking up on a camping German couple sleeping in a tent and stabbing them both to death while they were still trapped inside. He also told stories about his step father taking him on "hunting trips" in the woods in which he forced Quick to perform oral sex on him. Those stories were also found out to be lies but were also incredibly believable.
Re: Thomas Quick: The serial killer who wasn't
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know about the UK, which would have been relevant since that's where the author of the piece is from (maybe you do?), but in Sweden it's certainly not true that most people have ever had a Valium (or rather one of the brands that are marketed here). Many may not even know what they are, and if they do, they think of them as something a very ill person or a junkie might take. Swedish physicians are quite restr…
There was a time in the US where people were widely prescribed benzodiazepines for general use but doctors are generally more reluctant to prescribe them now because their long-term affects are now now well known. Benzos work very, very well in the short term however they are usually counterproductive in the long term. They are still used in acute medical settings. For things like drug withdraw in a medical facility…
>There was a time in the US where people were widely prescribed benzodiazepines for general use but doctors are generally more reluctant to prescribe them now because their long-term affects are now now well known.
I see, so perhaps my notions are just outdated then. Thanks for setting me straight. I still believe it's possible though that the average American may be more familiar and comfortable with the thought of using benzodiazepines than the average Swede.
>I'm sure Sweden uses them in acute medical settings as well because they are very effective in that role.
That's certainly true, I know from personal experience that you are right about that.
Re: Thomas Quick: The serial killer who wasn't
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
There was a time in the US where people were widely prescribed benzodiazepines for general use but doctors are generally more reluctant to prescribe them now because their long-term affects are now now well known. Benzos work very, very well in the short term however they are usually counterproductive in the long term. They are still used in acute medical settings. For things like drug withdraw in a medical facility…
>There was a time in the US where people were widely prescribed benzodiazepines for general use but doctors are generally more reluctant to prescribe them now because their long-term affects are now now well known. I see, so perhaps my notions are just outdated then. Thanks for setting me straight. I still believe it's possible though that the average American may be more familiar and comfortable with the thought of…
>the average American may be more familiar and comfortable with the thought of using benzodiazepines than the average Swede.
Of course, America went through a culture of benzo use whereas Sweden did not.
Re: Thomas Quick: The serial killer who wasn't
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
>There was a time in the US where people were widely prescribed benzodiazepines for general use but doctors are generally more reluctant to prescribe them now because their long-term affects are now now well known. I see, so perhaps my notions are just outdated then. Thanks for setting me straight. I still believe it's possible though that the average American may be more familiar and comfortable with the thought of…
>the average American may be more familiar and comfortable with the thought of using benzodiazepines than the average Swede. Of course, America went through a culture of benzo use whereas Sweden did not.
Yes, that remark might have been a bit redundant.
Re: Thomas Quick: The serial killer who wasn't
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn't Sweden the country that was trying to extradite Julian Assange? If their Supreme Court judges can come up with probabilities greater than 100%, then I seriously fear for their justice system!
I'm not going to comment on the Assange case itself since I don't know the details, I'm not a lawyer, and there's so much misinformation out there that it must be almost impossible even for the prosecutors to keep track of what "the case" actually is, but... indeed, the swedish justice system is in many ways archaic. I guess unjust is the best word to describe it. Basically, it's a system that has evolved over time i…
Sweeden has many "peculiarities", the one that tremendously impresses me is that voting is effectively not secret.
From what was described to me, when you vote you ask for a sheet of paper. You can ask for several but you'll get weird looks from people. The end result is that anyone that votes in fringe options is effectively identified because no one else asks for those options.
The person that told me this was competely oblivious to any problem with it. When I mentioned that this makes voting "de facto" not secret he mentioned that next time he would ask for all options.
I just don't get it.
Re: Thomas Quick: The serial killer who wasn't
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Indeed, and the range is rather large as well for what they cover. Most people have taken a Valium (diazepam) at some point in their life for example.
I don't know about the UK, which would have been relevant since that's where the author of the piece is from (maybe you do?), but in Sweden it's certainly not true that most people have ever had a Valium (or rather one of the brands that are marketed here). Many may not even know what they are, and if they do, they think of them as something a very ill person or a junkie might take. Swedish physicians are quite restr…
I am from the UK and have been prescribed a few benzos over the years for different things. They are prescribed although not as often as in America by the sounds of things. I think Valium is the most prescribed but only for short term use in the cases of anxiety and related issues.
Re: Thomas Quick: The serial killer who wasn't
#38One fascinating part of this story is Göran Lambertz, who was chancellor of justice during the trials and is now a supreme court judge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6ran_Lambertz He fervently maintains that Quick is indeed guilty, and that there was nothing at all wrong with the proceedings of the justice system. In fact he claims, to this day as far as I know, that the evidence against Quick is "extraordinari…
> So, yeah. I hope I don't ever have to go to court. It's like a mashup of Franz Kafka, Lewis Carroll, and Stephen Colbert.
I highly recommend going to a courtroom and just observe a trial.
The level of dishonesty, stupidity and incompetence is tremendous.
At the jurisdiction where I did that trials have all audio recorded. I saw the judge asking to stop the recording, basically saying out loud that the defendant was guilty because he felt it (basically he was creepy), resume the recording and then make some bullshit excuse to validate what he already had decided on a hunch.
I never had much respect for people involved with the law. I lost whatever little respect I had left that day.
I was actually recording audio (probably illegal and criminal) so at home I confirmed it just in case I was under some kind of delusion.
Re: Thomas Quick: The serial killer who wasn't
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn't Sweden the country that was trying to extradite Julian Assange? If their Supreme Court judges can come up with probabilities greater than 100%, then I seriously fear for their justice system!
If you have to ask that question you're probably in the 96% (my estimate) that are grossly misinformed about this case, due to international media being idiotic and easily manipulated by Assange's pawns.
Why don't you, you know, inform me?
Re: Thomas Quick: The serial killer who wasn't
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not going to comment on the Assange case itself since I don't know the details, I'm not a lawyer, and there's so much misinformation out there that it must be almost impossible even for the prosecutors to keep track of what "the case" actually is, but... indeed, the swedish justice system is in many ways archaic. I guess unjust is the best word to describe it. Basically, it's a system that has evolved over time i…
Sweeden has many "peculiarities", the one that tremendously impresses me is that voting is effectively not secret. From what was described to me, when you vote you ask for a sheet of paper. You can ask for several but you'll get weird looks from people. The end result is that anyone that votes in fringe options is effectively identified because no one else asks for those options. The person that told me this was comp…
For those curious, the process is described here [1]. As a voter, you go to a table and pick a ballot that represents your choice. You can pick a pre-printed ballot with your party's name on it, or you can take a blank ballot and write it manually. If you want to keep your choice secret, you can pick a bunch of random ballots, but submit just one of them.
For comparison, in Sweden's neighbouring country of Norway, the voting booth where you pick and fill out the ballot is covered with a curtain. You fill out the ballot (they're all printed on the same type of paper), which you fill out and fold so that it hides the contents. You then go over to an election worker, who confirms your identity and gives you an envelope to put the ballot in, which you then seal and put in the drop box.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Sweden#Voting