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Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by soup10 »

hipsterrific wrote: post #248
krylon wrote: post #92

Ever since Nadella took over at Microsoft, such news items are becoming more and more frequent. Ten years ago, my first reaction at such a headline would have been to check my calendar if it's April 1st. Microsoft has come a long way from the company that everybody loved to hate. IMHO, they still have a long way ahead of them, but it's nice to see they seem to be serious about it. With Ballmer at the helm, I had the…

Ballmer was good at sales but horrible at running a company. He was perfect before the internet came to be and before the rise of mobile devices. Ballmer, is in fact, what sunk Microsoft for a better part of a decade or more. Nadella is doing MS good. For one, he understands market dynamics better than Ballmer did and is willing to gamble. As a C# developer of 10 years, this is the first time Microsoft actually "spic…

No doubt Microsoft under ballmer launched quite a few failed products, but they've maintained their monopolies and have made record profits in the process.

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Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by yohui »

reitanqild wrote: post #145
myth_buster wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I seriously can't get too excited about MSFT technologies because - they have an history of discarding products on a whim, - playing the strategic game and stifling smaller competitors, - having a new CEO doesn't mean it's a new company. The people are still there, there are still fragmentation and silos, and the attitude.

Keep in mind that this time they are not just giving away stuff "free as in beer" they are also giving it away not under AGPL, not under GPL, not under LGPL but under a MIT License which is one of the most permissive licenses out there. Contrast this to Oracle/Java. Or about any other huge corporation.

I thought Visual Studio Code was "free as in beer". Are you saying it's not proprietary?

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by Alphasite_ »

mwcampbell wrote: post #268
M8 wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it's crappy HTML and JS underneath? I was hoping for cross-platform WPF :(.

Agreed on the crappiness of the web stack for this application. But WPF isn't necessarily better. Case in point: a Bible study program where one's choice of video card actually mattered, at least in 2009 (see http://community.logos.com/forums/t/6200.aspx ). BTW, I only know about that specific example because my brother is a preacher. I think a better foundation for a cross-platform editor/IDE would be SWT, the Stand…

Or even IntelliJs skin and components for Swing.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by muratgg »

lmedinas wrote: post #54
zarriak wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure if you saw, but you can keep it and do the same things as well in the future. "Microsoft says the language services it built for Visual Studio Code will be available in other editors as well, including Sublime Text, Vi and Atom."

No emacs ? :(

Emacs too :)

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by NicoJuicy »

Fun thing that nobody seems to mention is that a lot of "Visual Studio Code" is actually based on opensource. It's a atom shell app using omnisharp as server... Here some relative links where it's based upon:

https://atom.io/

https://github.com/atom/electron

http://www.omnisharp.net/

I think it's funny that MS uses 3rd party opensource for building a editor that supports Visual Basic (and other languages of course).. According to me, Roslyn does the intellisense (it's opensource now) and CoreCLR is the RyuJIT-compiler (also recently opensourced).

I suppose the Asp.Net 5 framework is perfect for beginning with this ( grunt, bower, ...). Debugging currently works with Mono 4.0.1 and node, soon all of them will be supported because of CoreCLR (source: https://twitter.com/shanselman/status/593454392851845120 ). .Net has a lot of nice things to offer ( odata, f#, entity framework, typescript), i'd be happy to see them getting more traction :)

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by Aradalf »

porker wrote: post #281

Do have a read of the privacy policy, especially the extra clause for free programs: https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/dn948229 Will your customers mind if the following data is sent to Microsoft when you're working on-site? Usage data. We collect information about how you interact with our products and services. This includes information about how you use the products and services, such as the features you use, the…

I believe it's for the Preview version only. Afterwards you can opt out.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by amyjess »

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #126
pyre wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even when Microsoft 'Embraced and Extended' Java, it was only on the Windows platform. It was not cross -platform. The whole point of that methodology wasn't to make sure that everyone was using Microsoft-flavoured Java, but to make sure that everyone was using Microsoft-flavoured Java on the Microsoft Windows platform.

It was not cross-platform Cross-platform didn't mean much in 1995. Which other platform was there at the time? Apple was dead in the water. Red Hat had just come into existence. Netscape Navigator 1.0 had just shipped in December 1994.

In 1995, commercial Unix was still a viable platform in the enterprise market (and Java has always had strong connections to the enterprise market).

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by pasta_2 »

notsony wrote: post #290
ryanmarsh wrote: post #285

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Some HN'ers may not recall Microsoft's "sleeping giant awakes" moment with the Internet in the 90's. Speaking of tidal waves, hang on to your surfboards, it's going to be big and fast. http://www.lettersofnote.com/2011/07/internet-tidal-wave.htm...

Tim Cook's too busy with Jonathan Ive and Angela Ahrendts, turning Apple into a luxury goods company, to even know what just hit him. Slowly but surely the best developers are going to leave the Mac platform leaving only consulting body-shops and corporates on iOS. Developing for the Mac and iOS is miserable. It wasn't always that way, but it is now. Developers* are sick of proprietary stacks, from the language (Swif…

2/10 troll

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by pera »

hipsterrific wrote: post #248
krylon wrote: post #92

Ever since Nadella took over at Microsoft, such news items are becoming more and more frequent. Ten years ago, my first reaction at such a headline would have been to check my calendar if it's April 1st. Microsoft has come a long way from the company that everybody loved to hate. IMHO, they still have a long way ahead of them, but it's nice to see they seem to be serious about it. With Ballmer at the helm, I had the…

Ballmer was good at sales but horrible at running a company. He was perfect before the internet came to be and before the rise of mobile devices. Ballmer, is in fact, what sunk Microsoft for a better part of a decade or more. Nadella is doing MS good. For one, he understands market dynamics better than Ballmer did and is willing to gamble. As a C# developer of 10 years, this is the first time Microsoft actually "spic…

> Open source is not available to commercial companies. The way the license is written, if you use any open-source software, you have to make the rest of your software open source. If the government wants to put something in the public domain, it should. Linux is not in the public domain. Linux is a cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches. That's the way that the license works.

- Ballmer, 2001

Yeah Ballmer was pretty bad, but to be fair Bill Gates also was very anti open-source ("Communism! Communism!"... http://old.seattletimes.com/html/microsoft/2002152694_paul13...). I like the direction of this "new Microsoft", but they still do some nasty stuff: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/03/20/win...

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