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DOGE is done. What happened to its records?

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Re: DOGE is done. What happened to its records?

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Unfortunately I have some insights I can not will not, must not talk about. But from another perspective, the reviewers: an idiot and google is a very dangerous combination.

Convenient.

No. Smart. Life experience. I am not looking for problems.

If authorities ask me: No, I know nothing, I just wanted to look important on Hackernews. All a joke, I have no inside information.

Re: DOGE is done. What happened to its records?

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You are largely misinformed, and if you are going to make such a wild (and defaming) claim, perhaps you'd back it up with some evidence. Not only are they highly skilled, they are completely dedicated. They are straining to meed the needs of researchers right now, with staff volunteering on the weekends, against policy, to help out where they can, because they believe in their mission and are highly motivated and com…

To clarify one thing: NIH grants is a wide field. I only was talking about NIH SBIR grants and SBIR grants in general.

Re: DOGE is done. What happened to its records?

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I would like to personally thank Elon, "big balls" and the rest of DOGE for causing hundreds of thousands of deaths [1] by shutting down USAID! Also an honorable for bringing the screwworm to the US. Good job everyone, you guys did it! [1] https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/usaid-shutdown-has-led-to-hund...

why exactly is the US responsible for feeding people in random countries around the world? if the US is responsible for those deaths then surely every other county who didn't step up to feed them is equally responsible right?

>> why exactly is the US responsible for feeding people in random countries around the world

they are responsible because they took that responsibility. If I say to someone that I will sponsor them through collage, and than drop sponsorship without warning – I'll be an asshole too.

Also, everyone knows that USAid was a bargaining chip that bought USA ability to build military bases on a foreign land. It's not like USA just did it because they were great of heart.

Re: DOGE is done. What happened to its records?

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post #75

I would like to personally thank Elon, "big balls" and the rest of DOGE for causing hundreds of thousands of deaths [1] by shutting down USAID! Also an honorable for bringing the screwworm to the US. Good job everyone, you guys did it! [1] https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/usaid-shutdown-has-led-to-hund...

why exactly is the US responsible for feeding people in random countries around the world? if the US is responsible for those deaths then surely every other county who didn't step up to feed them is equally responsible right?

Because the American Empire is extracting massive amounts of wealth from these places. Feeding the children there is the barest of decencies. Even from a purely strategic POV, it makes these places more likely to turn away from the US and toward others, more reliable "partners".

Re: DOGE is done. What happened to its records?

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post #193

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Of all the things a 250 year-old federal government serving hundreds of millions of people across the entire spectrum of services should be run like, "a start-up" is pretty close to the bottom of the list. I'm impressed we managed to arrive on an idea more detached from the fundamentals of public governance and less worthy of trust than running government "as a business." It takes real, concerted effort to be that th…

> as a business This is doubly-bad when the guy at the top's "business" has a nearly 1:1 mapping to the governance of North Korea : An unaccountable dictatorship where the head directly owns everything and cannot be fired for incompetence, he executes/fires people on a whim, and meanwhile relatives and courtiers spend most the time sucking-up and backstabbing to end up with the power when he dies. Why would any Ameri…

Everyone I know who says they want government ran more like a business are actually saying "if a business was that inefficient, it would cease to exist." They are quoting $500 hammers and tossing around tax money like, well, tossing around someone else's money. They want better stewardship.

However, many who claim to want this better stewardship have no idea how wasteful businesses are. And the idea that government should profit off its services sounds good to the (capitalist trained) mind, at least on the surface. Dig an inch deep however, and it should be obvious that the government is managing cost centers by definition, and expecting a profit is asinine. The goal of being business-like quickly degrades under scrutiny. Digging an inch deeper is seemingly impossible for many.

Yeah, the idea of running it like a business should die. But I think most who say it acknowledge there are differences and what they are really wanting is stewardship.

Re: DOGE is done. What happened to its records?

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post #72

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Calling the current regime "democratic rule" feels like a stretch. Wouldn't democratic rule first require that the ruler respects other democratic institutions such as the press, the courts, and the Constitution?

Democratic rule primarily means that those who win elections get to rule. That's really the by far most important aspect!

It really isn't; the most important aspect is that it enables peaceful transfer of power without the leaving group having to fear for their lives. But your perspective does explain a lot about the current state of the USA.

Re: DOGE is done. What happened to its records?

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And who does this ultimately benefit?...

The billionaires who don't like regulations and like the idea of a semi-starving population that are forced to work in inhumane conditions for the lowest possible wages. Also, destroying democracy seems to be desired by them as they wish to concentrate all the power into their own hands.

Making their wealth in a democratic society is a temporary embarrassment to a Ellison/Thiel/Musk would-be technocrat.

Re: DOGE is done. What happened to its records?

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post #111

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Sounds to me like the claim is—with the perspective of somebody who has lived an entire professional life within the federal research award system—that it actually was highly efficient. So whether or not they were competent, and whether or not they succeeded at finding anything, that’s the true nature that existed to find in the first place. What’s your basis for the assumption that “the waste” was there to find, par…

I don’t have any reason to believe the grantmaking system is particularly inefficient. If I was in charge with saving money I would look at consolidating welfare and slashing the bureaucratic apparatus. Research grants wouldn’t even be in my top 10. But this is what I mean, people are claiming that the government as a whole is efficient. I think that’s trivially false, and saying “doge didn’t find waste in research g…

> If I was in charge with saving money I would look at consolidating welfare and slashing the bureaucratic apparatus. Research grants wouldn’t even be in my top 10.

It's almost like a bunch of kids with no experience in government (and little in life) were sent to every department with a mandate to make a certain amount of cuts by their boss, and then delivered on what they were told to do without feeling like they'd be held accountable for the effectiveness of their work...

Re: DOGE is done. What happened to its records?

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> DOGE found an actually highly efficient Federal government Really? From what I've heard, DOGE was completely incompetent. Are you claiming they were actually extremely competent and simply couldn't find the waste?

They're saying that the federal government that DOGE "investigated" was already highly efficient. Elon's goons are mostly a pack of bumbling morons sent on a mission to steal data for private purposes.

Elon AND Russell Vought's / Project 2025

Let's not fall for the transparent narrative of post-hoc branding DOGE "Elon's thing" so that when there are inevitably Congressional hearing the real architects go uncalled.

Re: DOGE is done. What happened to its records?

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> as a business This is doubly-bad when the guy at the top's "business" has a nearly 1:1 mapping to the governance of North Korea : An unaccountable dictatorship where the head directly owns everything and cannot be fired for incompetence, he executes/fires people on a whim, and meanwhile relatives and courtiers spend most the time sucking-up and backstabbing to end up with the power when he dies. Why would any Ameri…

This is a tangent, but people who advocate for "government like a business" are mental. Businesses want to profit and grow. The government should never be looking to profit off of taxpayers who are already funding the government. It's always a scheme from the wealthy guy to become more wealthy, and they do a good job of getting people to repeat their nonsense.

There's an additional case that can be made: Businesses want to disrupt, but they can only do so against a stable current. The governments main job in regards to the economy is stability, so that business can plan, innovate, disrupt and grow.
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