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DOGE is done. What happened to its records?

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Post by Beijinger »

SubiculumCode wrote: post #214
Beijinger wrote: post #191

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You are largely misinformed, and if you are going to make such a wild (and defaming) claim, perhaps you'd back it up with some evidence. Not only are they highly skilled, they are completely dedicated. They are straining to meed the needs of researchers right now, with staff volunteering on the weekends, against policy, to help out where they can, because they believe in their mission and are highly motivated and com…

Unfortunately I have some insights I can not will not, must not talk about.

But from another perspective, the reviewers: an idiot and google is a very dangerous combination.

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Post by _djo_ »

budsniffer952 wrote: post #143
georgemcbay wrote: post #20

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> everybody involved should get audited and investigated for fraud and corruption This is absolutely what should happen, but what will almost certainly happen is that the most openly corrupt president the US has ever had will blanket pardon everyone who remains loyal to him for the remainder of his term and there will be no federal level criminal legal consequences for any of these people. And this is kind of the opt…

You can rest assured Trump is going to preemptively pardon everyone associated with him. On an ungodly scale. And why wouldn't he? Biden preemptively pardoned his family, which was unprecedented, and Democrats said it was fine. This is now the world we live in, and why these precedents are bad.

I think it's also fair to say that the Biden pardons wouldn't have happened without Trump coming into office after, and telegraphing his intentions to abuse power and go after all of those who Biden ended up pardoning.

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Post by pocksuppet »

kridsdale1 wrote: post #56
Jtsummers wrote: post #23

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> There isn't really much waste in federal spending. There's actually a lot of waste. DOGE just didn't go after it. Check out DOD and all the 9- and 10-figure programs that get canceled without delivering anything, and whose work is often useless for follow-on work. OCX is a recent example, costing around $6 billion and took so long that the program it was supposed to replace ended up just doing the work instead. Ess…

Big Tech is just as guilty of this. It’s just not the public’s money.

It kind of is, where do you think Big Tech gets its money from? essential products and services are more expensive because of the waste. Like a can of Coke (or packet of rice) is more expensive because they buy ads through Google and Google wastes that money.

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Post by watwut »

TitaRusell wrote: post #239
jimt1234 wrote: post #102

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I agree with the sentiment here, however, back in the 90s, after the fall of the Soviet Union, there was a reduction in military spending. Military bases were closing; many of my friends/peers were discharged from service, and so on. And then 9/11 happened and military spending has skyrocketed ever since. Coincidence? Hmmm?

Trump was famously elected as the big isolationist candidate and we know how that went...

He was pro-Russian, thus against help to Ukraine. That is literally the extend of his isolationism.

The claim he is pro peace was always transparent lie and people literally recognized it at the time.

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Post by watwut »

gruez wrote: post #85
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #76

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>But the original claim was >>There isn't really much waste in federal spending. And your response to the claim "there isn't really much waste in federal spending" is to say "what about 30 years ago, someone you probably liked got rid of a lot of things they said were wasteful"? in short, if 30 years ago someone got rid of a lot of waste in federal spending it might very well follow that there is not a lot of waste i…

>it might very well follow that there is not a lot of waste in federal spending. Was Clinton particularly thorough in eliminating waste? Is there reason to believe that no new waste materialized in 3 decades?

Considering Clinton balanced budged and actually did worked on removing waste, yes he was as thorough as it gets.

Those are juat facts. No one on the right wont admit it, but that does not make it not right.

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Post by watwut »

WalterBright wrote: post #213
retornam wrote: post #203

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> The Department of Education has spent $3 trillion since its inception in 1980, and academic accomplishment has not advanced at all The Institute of Education Sciences (IES), which administers research grants, is a division of the Department of Education. Given your point, how much of this funding was dedicated to research? Even if $500 million (its much more, but I digress) has been invested in research since 1980,…

Is there any evidence that the education research has been of any benefit to educational results? The dollars spent is not evidence of accomplishment.

Frankly, yes.

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Post by WalterBright »

breakwaterlabs wrote: post #235
retornam wrote: post #205

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State governments administer education separately, the Department of Education's job is to make sure they are following federal law. The Department mainly administers federal programs that dish out funding to states. Y'all really don't understand how education works in America and your comments make it clear for all to see.

By what yardstick should we then measure the DoEd's performance-per-dollar, or determine whether it represents "waste"? Because it seems to me that a chief indicator that waste likely exists is an inability to show ROI.

Waste exists when there is no incentive to eliminate it.

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Post by mothballed »

TitaRusell wrote: post #234
aceazzameen wrote: post #219

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This is a tangent, but people who advocate for "government like a business" are mental. Businesses want to profit and grow. The government should never be looking to profit off of taxpayers who are already funding the government. It's always a scheme from the wealthy guy to become more wealthy, and they do a good job of getting people to repeat their nonsense.

A business has one boss who decides everything and is personally responsible if things go to shit. The employees pack up and leave to get another job. None of this is applicable to a government- unless any American wants to find out what it means to be a refugee at the Canadian border.

If you seriously make a go at it you Americans be accepted for asylum in Mexico. There is a guy (Gavin I think? Real lanky nerdy guy) from Washington who was constantly criticizing government officials (and even Mexican ones) that was granted asylum.

I also of a guy who showed in in Paraguay, renounced his citizenship to become stateless, and then they just offered him citizenship because they didn't know what to do with him.

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Post by TitaRusell »

georgemcbay wrote: post #91
TitaRusell wrote: post #58

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I never understood the presidential pardon. It's like America is basically admitting it has no faith in their own justice system. Or want a cheat code to skip it lol.

To be fair, the power was added as a failsafe to be used for legitimate clemency in cases of judicial overreach which is also a concern. I do believe it was added with good intentions. But like many aspects of US federal government, the people who drafted the rules naively presumed the people invoking them would have some level of integrity and a shame response that would stop them from using it for openly corrupt pu…

Well I am not against pardons but having a single person parsing them out instead of parliament/Congress reeks of the kingly powers that the Founding Fathers correctly opposed.

But it is difficult to make a system Trump/asshole proof.

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Post by watwut »

tancop wrote: post #24
asveikau wrote: post #6

Any time people talk about cutting government spending, they are exploiting naivety of the audience. When you actually cut, nobody likes it. There isn't really much waste in federal spending. Most programs are important to somebody for good reasons. From this perspective, DOGE was always an obvious con.

there are two big exceptions to this, the military and healthcare. playing world police is incredibly wasteful and so is funding a system based on submitting to the demands of big pharma and for-profit hospitals. the problem is 50 years worth of propaganda convincing americans that all this is good and necessary and if you disagree that makes you a communist/welfare queen/terrorist supporter/woke activist. at least n…

> playing world police

The most expensive are purely for oil, for hawks feeling manly bullshit wars.

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