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Post by defrost »

jnwatson wrote: post #281
thewillowcat wrote: post #246

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These companies aren't coming in, buying property at market rates, and developing it with existing infrastructure under current zoning laws. They usually want tax breaks, major infrastructure changes, and other accommodations and guarantees. It's completely reasonable for people to want a dialog with their representatives before those kinds of arrangements are made with a company on their behalf. And it's entirely re…

A meeting to get a lamp post change is exactly how progress stops. It is why we can't build anything in US and it costs a billion dollars per mile of high speed rail.

A data centre isn't a lamp post.

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Post by criddell »

thomastjeffery wrote: post #94
yardie wrote: post #6

A few months ago the founders of the top AI companies walked into Capitol Hill. Tried to explain to a room full of elected representatives exactly how their technology was going to put almost half the working population into under/unemployment and they should consider UBI [0]. Then they went back to the airport, got on their corporate jets, and went home secure in the knowledge that they really showed them. That they…

Most people I know (in Utah) are predominantly concerned with the pollution and water use. Water is the most ubiquitous concern across politics in Utah. No matter what political ideology you adhere to, water rights and water conservation are a core topic. If you watch local news for more than an hour or two, you will see propaganda to "slow the flow". One of the most common criticisms of our Governor is that he publi…

Why is water so inexpensive? Shouldn’t the price per gallon increase exponentially? It seems like it shouldn’t be that difficult to come up with curves so that typical households pay very little for water and the big users pay a lot for water.

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Post by defrost »

TurdF3rguson wrote: post #290
KennyBlanken wrote: post #286

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You need to take a break from the keyboard. You're being an asshole.

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Re: Data centers trigger voter backlash

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Post by qurren »

miiiiiike wrote: post #276
qurren wrote: post #275

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It's junk for mission-critical software. But stock photographers, tutors, therapists, writers, translators, designers, and others are being replaced in droves. The snowball is starting. Even plumbers. AI told me what to buy from Home Depot and I diagnosed and fixed my last 2 plumbing problems myself. And lawyers. I fought some minor issues on my own with AI guidance.

What a bad idea AI therapy is and I don’t know too many people who are using AI art commercially. Translators, sure. But we’ve been using Google Translate for almost two decades now. You didn’t need AI for your plumbing. My dad had a whole set of books on household chores that we used to fix everything. I do more of the work around my house than most. I won’t touch tall trees to fuck with my breaker box. I do most of…

> What a bad idea AI therapy is

People will use it, because they don't have money for real therapists, because they also lost their own job. Maybe you can give them free therapy if you think it's a bad idea?

> I don’t know too many people who are using AI art commercially

I see AI stock images absolutely everywhere in the news now, AI portraits all over the place, AI relit product images absolutely everywhere.

> You didn’t need AI for your plumbing. My dad had a whole set of books on household chores

I don't have time to read books when I have a plumbing issue and other shit to do. Normally I'd have paid $200 for a plumber. But with AI I didn't have to read the books, and I was able to solve it myself for $30.

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Post by micro2588 »

miiiiiike wrote: post #280
micro2588 wrote: post #270

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The nuclear generating station is part of a larger system. Say you build enough data centers in your local area to use up all the station power so that 80% is no longer exported, what is getting built somewhere else to make up for that missing generation the data centers now use? Its not new nuclear. When you add data center load to a grid how the additional generation is supplied is really what matters in terms of i…

We should have been building additional nuclear capacity for the past 50 years. The kinds of anti data center activism we’re seeing now was directed at nuclear back then. It would take decades to build enough data centers to use 100% of the station’s capacity. We can build capacity as we build consumers. It’s all about balance. I also don’t believe that we’re going to be building all of the 1200 proposed data centers…

Being next to a nuclear power plant but attached to a regional grid is not that relevant in terms of total additive emissions from a data center build out. You have to look at the change in emissions of the grid as a whole. Companies are incentivized to care about disclosing a narrow boundary view of scope 1 & 2 emissions but we live in the real world not a spreadsheet.

US electrical emissions YOY increased in part due to data center build out and energy demand.

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Post by jcgrillo »

rescripting wrote: post #189
anthonypasq wrote: post #167

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> I can tell you, based on local examples, that politicians are setting up deals to bring in data centers without trying to build community support first. Not only that, they are often signing NDAs that prohibit them from telling voters what they have agreed to. It's no way to operate in a democracy, and voters are right to be angry. People believing they are entitled to dictate what other people do with their proper…

This may come as a surprise to you, but people like living in pleasant surroundings. Just because I own the land does not mean I can open an abattoir next to an elementary school. Using land in different ways results in externalities that affect those around it. The people of a community should have some right to protect themselves from those externalities. How that happens in practice is a deeply flawed, messy, ugly…

The next town over from where I live has basically no rules. No zoning, if you want to turn your property into a junkyard go right ahead! Even still, people are successfully fighting against a trash company putting in a landfill. I believe the levers they're pulling are a state wetlands permit and a state solid waste permit. The system is working.

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Post by miiiiiike »

qurren wrote: post #294
miiiiiike wrote: post #276

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What a bad idea AI therapy is and I don’t know too many people who are using AI art commercially. Translators, sure. But we’ve been using Google Translate for almost two decades now. You didn’t need AI for your plumbing. My dad had a whole set of books on household chores that we used to fix everything. I do more of the work around my house than most. I won’t touch tall trees to fuck with my breaker box. I do most of…

> What a bad idea AI therapy is People will use it, because they don't have money for real therapists, because they also lost their own job. Maybe you can give them free therapy if you think it's a bad idea? > I don’t know too many people who are using AI art commercially I see AI stock images absolutely everywhere in the news now, AI portraits all over the place, AI relit product images absolutely everywhere. > You…

I think current gen AI is junk. I don’t use it. I also don’t see mass job losses over it. Scapegoated? Yes. Actual mass unemployment? No.

Commercially, I typically see AI used in what amount to scams. And no, I don’t believe that anyone should be using it for therapy.

You don’t have time to glance at a diagram in a book but you have time to ask AI and go to Home Depot and do it yourself?

If you’re worried about job loss, pay the plumber.

You could argue that you still put money into the local economy by shopping locally. The money you saved by doing it yourself could be spent locally on dinner and ice cream. Money is fungible.

If you’re concerned about the impacts of AI you could start to mitigate them by choosing not to use AI yourself.

It’s been a few hours. I’ve said all I have to say under this post. I’m going to stop replying now.

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Post by AngryData »

godwinson__4-8 wrote: post #70
yardie wrote: post #6

A few months ago the founders of the top AI companies walked into Capitol Hill. Tried to explain to a room full of elected representatives exactly how their technology was going to put almost half the working population into under/unemployment and they should consider UBI [0]. Then they went back to the airport, got on their corporate jets, and went home secure in the knowledge that they really showed them. That they…

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The feds minimum wage is still $7.25, who is actually going to believe the government will implement UBI based on some vague and evasive answers about UBI?

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Post by ozim »

TurdF3rguson wrote: post #283
ozim wrote: post #251

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Not really. I was just born there and it wasn’t as touristy when I was a child. It blew up as touristy place when I was a teenager and in my twenties. My parents had odd jobs, construction, chemical processing operations. There was some small scale industry running there as well but it went bust when people wanted fresh air for tourism. Even if the industry was really small scale for marketing sake local government g…

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Well not really. I couldn’t care less. I would move out anyway.

I just have seen firsthand how people who claim to be „for the local community” on the posters when it is election time — doing exactly the opposite otherwise.

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Post by ozim »

watwut wrote: post #247
TurdF3rguson wrote: post #244

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You live in a touristy area because you have a tourism-related job, right? Because where are the tourists supposed to stay if there's no hotels?

Or, he did something else and mived away, vecause this sucked. There is never shortage of hotels. They pop up is actual econony supports it. No reason to take bribes

For anyone who was poor in that area it was better to move out.
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