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Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says
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Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says
#292Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'd argue that Israel is, in fact, behaving worse than South Africa ever did. Nelson Mandela's grandson agrees. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/mandelas-grandson-...
South African here. There is a vast gap between what the elite believe and what the world perceives of South Africa, and what South Africans think. Most South Africans have a very low interest in Israel-Palestine. Anecdotally, in person Palestinian rally struggle to get more than 100 people. There are plenty of domestic issues which people care about more. For one, there are 20,000-25,000 murders here per year. Relat…
That is the sign of a healthy society.
Unlike many countries in the West that have bought into a billion dollar hate campaign sponsored by Qatar and amplified by strategic rivals like Russia and China.
Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says
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It's not just the raw suffering but also the sense of systematic oppression between groups that triggers people. Yemen or Sudan don't get nearly enough attention because most people find those conflicts harder to understand in terms of "good and evil" than the Israel-Palestine conflict.
We are bombarded by the suffering because it suits the left self hate narrative and Hamas operatives are always on hand with expensive photography equipment.
Palestinian suffering is literally part of their strategy to turn the kids in America against Israel. It's a dumb strategy, but Palestinian society has chosen dumb strategies for nearly a hundred years now.
Antizionists will sacrifice an infinite number of Palestinians to its hateful fantasy of destroying Israel.
Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says
#294Just curious to know what is acceptable proportionate response for: 1. What was done on October 7? Assuming that some kind of response from Israel was acceptable. 2. Against Israel for what Israel is doing now? Assuming that Israel is over reacting. Maybe if we can come with a framework for what is acceptable, world can force certain behavior. Edited for formatting.
It's always analysis of Israel's response and zero soul searching on the Palestinian side.
Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says
#295Earlier quoted context omitted.
Again, children got killed because their school was used as a ground base to fire rockets from. Do you expect Israelis to allow Hamas rockets to fall in Israeli schools? That's not a reasonable expectation. The choice hamas forces israel to make is cruel and inhuman, that is direct consequence of their radical islamic belief of martirdom. They do not see death like the same way as the west. To them (and I'm not talki…
> children got killed because their school was used as a ground base to fire rockets from. I don't really know how to talk to people who think killing children - by the tens of thousands - is ever justified, but maybe this will help you: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/t-mMt3c3ngQ
Well, I presume you never had to make the choice between just living with rocket barrages as a daily routine, this is something that’s incredibly hard to fathom. For years and years.
Golda Meir once said that peace between Israel and the Palestinians will come once the Palestinians will love their children more than they hate the Jews.
Here is perhaps something that could sway your opinion https://youtu.be/g-xfCH3PQT0?si=aQ3O6g_0v_-2mzf_
Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says
#296Earlier quoted context omitted.
Deaths in Gaza are very much not random. Adult men have the highest casualties which is what would be expected since Hamas militants are most often adult men, it's well documented that Hamas also uses child soldiers to some degree as well.
> it's well documented that Hamas also uses child soldiers to some degree as well. Cruel Israeli oppression motivates even children to resist them. Israel then murders said children. Obviously Hamas must be to blame for Israeli actions.
I mean yea... If youre a child soldier you should expect to be targeted, even if your cause is valiant.
Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says
#297Just curious to know what is acceptable proportionate response for: 1. What was done on October 7? Assuming that some kind of response from Israel was acceptable. 2. Against Israel for what Israel is doing now? Assuming that Israel is over reacting. Maybe if we can come with a framework for what is acceptable, world can force certain behavior. Edited for formatting.
Oct 7th was a border security failure. The appropriate response was reinforcing the border and ensuring that gazans cant escape. Letting the gazans out was one of the biggest security blunders of the 21st century. Israel knew the government of gaza wants israel wiped off the map, this stuff isnt a surprise or anything. Israel absolutely had the capability of keeping the gazans in, they blew it. I see that this is close to victim blaming, but the thing is that both sides are victims here, all the arguments involve victim blaming. Israel already tried occupying gaza, they knew it doesnt work and would just make things worse.
Arguments can certainly be made about the hostages, but I think its clear that the gazan war was not really about the hostages.
Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says
#298Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd argue that Israel is, in fact, behaving worse than South Africa ever did. Apartheid-era South African government was a nightmare, but didn't engage in mass murder (or, uh, "collateral damage") on an Israeli scale. Actually a few orders of magnitude separate them. That slaughter is worse than discrimination should be obvious. If you discriminate against somebody you harm their dignity and you narrow their future p…
> I'd argue that Israel is, in fact, behaving worse than South Africa ever did. Nelson Mandela's grandson agrees. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/mandelas-grandson-...
Here's what some South African's think of him:
"AbaThembu King Buyelekhaya Dalindyebo says he has removed Mandla Mandela as the traditional leader of Mvezo in the Eastern Cape."
"[His spokesperson] accused Mandela of being more concerned about the people of Palestine than his own people. "Palestine must give him a place to rule; they make him a chief there. Here in the land of AbaThembu, he is no longer welcome,” he said."
https://www.citizen.co.za/news/south-africa/politics/abathem...
Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says
#299Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think there's an ethical difference between "we need to wage war on a densely populated area", and "we need to wage war on a densely populated area, let's make sure to harm the vulnerable people we encounter there". This is what I'm trying to differentiate between.
We won't know without analyzing protocols how Israel picks targets. Also, harming civilians is the norm in modern world. Russia absolutely deliberately is targeting critical civilian infra in Ukraine (e.g. grid during cold winter).
If the effect of your actions is a war crime, you are a war criminal.
If the Russians also do it, that is additional evidence of war crimes.
Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says
#300Does Israel has the intent of genocide? I don't think so. Does Hamas try to maximize civilian casualties with martyrdom? By meshing its combattants with civilians? Yes. The Geneva convention, unfortunately, allows collateral to a certain extent. Hamas also executed gazans several times. Israel does have a very aggressive strategy, but labeling it a genocide doesn't help the Palestinian cause. Words matter.
Your advice to change how people talk about the dead children does indeed seem motivated, but not to "help the Palestinian cause".