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Well, except for the tens of billions we spent, and the $324 billion we’re giving Iran, and also our ability to exert any force on the world.
don't forget, you know, all of the people who died
Oh, yep, them too.
US and Iran announce deal to end military operations
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Isn't the article failing to document the $300B that the US has to give Iran? I cannot fathom how this will be acceptable to any American. The US doesn't have money to give food and healthcare benefits to its own deserving people but it has money for Iran. Also, for the longest time, Trump criticized Obama for giving $1.7B to Iran, and now he wants to give 170x more.
Obama did t pay Iran, they returned the $400m they stole with interest.
There was zero obligation to pay $1.3B in interest. Anyway, the parent comment was not a complaint about Obama.
Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations
#293Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn't the article failing to document the $300B that the US has to give Iran? I cannot fathom how this will be acceptable to any American. The US doesn't have money to give food and healthcare benefits to its own deserving people but it has money for Iran. Also, for the longest time, Trump criticized Obama for giving $1.7B to Iran, and now he wants to give 170x more.
I remember very well Republican figures attacking Obama for sending "pallets of cash" to Iran. It was giving Iran's own money back to them, so will they react similarly to Trump making the same deal?
For the record, the $300B are not Iran's own money.
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#295I don’t know how this is worse for the US or the World. Iran’s leadership and military was decapitated. It’s in the best interest of US, Europe and Israel and the Middle East. The nuclear program had a huge setback. What are the counter arguments to these facts if we really end up in peace with Iran along with the bad actors gone too?
The bad actors were killed, and the children of the bad actors took over. Same regime, now more firmly in control. While before, Iran's assets worldwide were frozen, they're now receiving back $25 billion of it. Also, the sanctions preventing them from selling their oil are lifted, so they now have oil revenue to expect. Additionally, the US will pay $300 billion to "reconstruct" Iran. Lastly, Iran has proved that it…
If the status quo was so great, why was Iran sitting on near-weapons-grade uranium and months from breakout? “Do nothing and hope” wasn’t a strategy. The only meaningful question is whether Iran ends up weaker and farther from a bomb than before. If yes, it’s an improvement
Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations
#296I don’t know how this is worse for the US or the World. Iran’s leadership and military was decapitated. It’s in the best interest of US, Europe and Israel and the Middle East. The nuclear program had a huge setback. What are the counter arguments to these facts if we really end up in peace with Iran along with the bad actors gone too?
Very little has changed with the regime. The next in line stepped up, and it seems like the future will be business as usual. The nuclear bogeyman is the wrong thing to focus on. Sure, we don't want Iran to have nuclear weapons, but they have a lot of other power in the region, and we've only confirmed and entrenched that power.
Its proxies are weaker, its allies are fewer, and its economy is still dependent on sanctions relief. Preventing a nuclear weapon while dealing with a diminished regional adversary is a better position than preventing neither.
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#297I don’t know how this is worse for the US or the World. Iran’s leadership and military was decapitated. It’s in the best interest of US, Europe and Israel and the Middle East. The nuclear program had a huge setback. What are the counter arguments to these facts if we really end up in peace with Iran along with the bad actors gone too?
The president/head of the civilian government in Iran was ousted, probably by the IRGC. The IRGC took control of the mullahs a week after the war started. They already had power over them, but the fact us that without the war, the supreme guide election would have been a difficult power struggle with political concessions. It wasn't thanks to Trump, reinforcing the IRGC control of Iran's religious life. The Iranian r…
You’re assuming internal consolidation equals increased strength. History is full of regimes that became more authoritarian precisely because they were weaker and under pressure, not because they were winning.
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#298Details here: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/iran-says-draft-us-d... Key bullets: What Iran gets: * The U.S. agrees to release $25 billion of Iran’s frozen assets, including via direct cash transfers, cooperation among regional countries, and financial credit lines. * Washington, in coordination with its regional allies, would prepare a reconstruction and development plan for Iran, to be negotiated and agree…
> Tehran agrees that it will neither produce nor acquire nuclear weapons.
I wouldn't do that if I were Iran. Having nukes is the only thing that somewhat protects you from being trampled on by the US whenever the weather is right.
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That's naive and simplistic. Your counterparty isn't going to agree to a deal if they get nothing in return. "Stop doing nuclear stuff or else" isn't a deal, it's a demand. And this fiasco proves that the US can't really do enough militarily if Iran just decides they don't want to abide by a deal/demand. Sure, this war was costly and painful for Iran, but they're coming out of it with better terms than they had befor…
> but they're coming out of it with better terms than they had before the war. That is precisely the problem. We have not done enough militarily when we clearly had the upper hand in the first few weeks of the war. We sank their boats, destroyed their planes and anti-aircraft batteries and could freely fly all over the country destroying targets at will. The Trump administration has clearly failed to finish what it s…
Yeah great idea, let's destroy the whole world economy, which is still dependent on that oil.
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> So, it's an even worse position for the US than before launching the war. True but continuing the war is worse for Trump. There was no real way to win.
Not to play?
Yup. Netanyahu tried to get most presidents in the last set to attack Iran and they were smart enough not to.