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Post by tfehring »

0xffff2 wrote: post #234
defen wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much liability coverage are you getting for ~ $100/month? In other words if you injure or kill someone with your vehicle how much of that cost will be covered by your insurance company? With Waymo the answer is "not my problem".

I pay ~100/month per car for full coverage on two fairly new cars and $500k in liability from the auto policy plus a $1m umbrella policy. And that's in CA which is comically expensive. I find it very believable that you can get excellent liability only coverage on 3 cars for $100/month depending on the state and drivers.

For comparison, I live in SF and am low-risk on all the dimensions you'd expect on HN, and I pay $100/month for non-owner coverage with similar limits - i.e., I don't own a car and my coverage only applies when I rent one. When I owned a car it was much higher, of course.

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Post by vidarh »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #236
vidarh wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I take public transport a lot and walk a lot (I live 3h walk from central London - I know because I've walked it, for fun), but I still also use Uber regularly because sometimes I simply don't have time. If I lived in the centre I probably would have very little use for it, but for people even slightly outside the core of cities well served by public transport, it's usually nice to have options.

> I live 3h walk from central London - I know because I've walked it, for fun This sounds like a great blog post! Or you can collab with https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/

It wasn't that interesting. I had a healthcare appointment near Victoria and had a half day off and decided to walk home. I regularly do 2h walks, so it wasn't a big stretch... It wasn't a particularly exciting walk - mostly very similar stretches of semi-urban areas after the first 30m or so.

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Post by steveklabnik »

Pseudocrat wrote: post #85
bkruse wrote: post #82

I used Waymo about 10 times in Austin - it was great. I wish they'd accelerate the rollout to other cities. I wonder what the major technical hurdles are for launching in a new city?

Well, recently in Austin Waymo cars blocked emergency services during a mass shooting event. That may be causing other cities some caution.

I can assure you that Austin drivers do all sorts of terrible things on a far more regular basis.

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Post by marklar423 »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #240
philip1209 wrote: post #53

Cash back is huge for people expensing rides. “Spend company money on us, and take your personal rides every once in a while for free.” Same model as airlines.

I see this constantly in my industry. Mid-level managers (and above) are always trying to max travel miles on company expense. If I ran my own company (dream!), I would never allow employees to reap "travel miles" from travel paid for by the company. It is ridiculous.

I've always understood it as a perk the company knowingly allows its employees who need to travel.

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Post by baggachipz »

bitpush wrote: post #215
baggachipz wrote: post #100

Thus the enshittification begins. Charge a fee for "premium" features -> features degrade over time -> drop features for non-subscribers -> subscription required for access at all, plus you get to pay the fee to go somewhere.

I dont think you're using the term correctly. Charging money for product/service is not enshittification. If you insist on that, you're living in fantasy land. How did you go from "charge a fee for premium features" -> features degrade over time? Apple has been charging a ton of money for their products and AFAICT their products have been pretty good

You're right, I skipped a step/was unclear. Features will degrade over time for _non-subscribers_. They'll eventually wall it off so that you have to have a subscription. Then they'll start degrading the features for everyone (who has to be subscribed). Then they'll have a new tier and the process begins anew.

Start with a subsidized product and delight users -> step 1. Prioritize the business by charging extra -> step 2. Degrade what people get for their price and extract revenue at the expense of the users -> step 3.

Classic enshittification.

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Post by rurp »

hibern8 wrote: post #203
smy20011 wrote: post #15

It will pay for itself if you spend >300$ per month. I personally wish Waymo have a 399$ per month subscription that give 2 free ride per day so I don't need to own a car just for work.

I imagine that is where society is headed. No one owns a car and most people pay for a subscription to an autonomous taxi.

Did you mean no one who does 100% of their driving in urban cities? I could maybe see that happening some day, but 10s of millions of Americans don't fit that description and to one degree or another drive in areas that Waymo has no interest in supporting since the unit economics will never be that good.

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Post by dzonga »

saghm wrote: post #207
jacobgold wrote: post #176

If Waymo Premier includes an [EVASIVE MANEUVERS] button on the infotainment screen I'm in. I had a Uber driver block my Waymo at an intersection in SF some months ago just to be an asshole. Apparently some other people have been attacked and robbed while in a Waymo. Waymo should treat it like a security flaw that anyone can stop your car and there's nothing you can do about it.

As always, relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1958/

that xkcd is always funny - but there's a white lie in it e.g on motorcycles in areas where you are allowed to ride median. there's instances of drivers actively tryin' to kill you by swerving onto the median when they see you comin'.

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Post by nsvd2 »

dzonga wrote: post #297
saghm wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As always, relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1958/

that xkcd is always funny - but there's a white lie in it e.g on motorcycles in areas where you are allowed to ride median. there's instances of drivers actively tryin' to kill you by swerving onto the median when they see you comin'.

It surprises me that any municipality would make that legal, seems dangerous.

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Post by rurp »

joshgachnang wrote: post #33
ErroneousBosh wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds more expensive than just owning a car.

Car payment, insurance, parking, gas/electricity? Going to be over $400/mo in almost all cases in any of the cities Waymo is in.

This stuff varies a lot by location. Sure in San Francisco and a handful of other cities parking and tolls cost a great deal, but that's not the case in most locations and presumably Waymo's goal is to expand far beyond a few locations. People in, say, Phoenix aren't paying for parking. If you don't have a car payment your monthly transport costs are going to be much lower than that.

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Post by ethbr1 »

smlacy wrote: post #237
postalrat wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think sitting inside you will be protected if someone has a gun?

So you're implying that someone in a locked Waymo was assaulted at gunpoint from outside the vehicle? These are rolling surveillance machines (in a good way?) and virtually every aspect of this would be caught on probably a dozen cameras. I'd be surprised if this hypothetical scenario has ever happened, and if it has, I'd love to see the evidence.

> virtually every aspect of this would be caught on probably a dozen cameras

If only there were a widely available technology to conceal ones face...

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