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Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by ronsor »

plantain wrote: post #200
roer wrote: post #121

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It doesn't have to be significantly better. If the service is stable, cheap and hassle-free, people will pay for it.

For many users it's just not true. I run a subscription weather forecast service for pilots, with a free trial period. A significant number of users reset their device every week to avoid paying 10 euros a month. These are aircraft owners .

Probably because resetting first is sufficiently easy for them, especially if they're not flying terribly often.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by littlecranky67 »

gspr wrote: post #203
embedding-shape wrote: post #44

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No one here is being "cut off from the internet" during the blocks, you grossly misunderstand what's happening here. If you're on a residential connection, during play of the matches, you can't access any of the Cloudflare IPs, but everything else keeps working as-is. Most businesses already migrated away from Cloudflare once these blocks started happening, so most of the affected people are the ones using services t…

Ok, I'm sorry for the hyperbole of saying "half the internet" if it's in fact 10%. But come on, that's still massive. It's not a stretch for small businesses to be reliant on residential connections either.

No need to be sorry, it is a matter of how you define the percentage. If you would define it as "fraction of traffic generated by residential/home endpoints" you probably wouldn't be off that far. Maybe because Netflix does not use cloudflare, but if you say "CDNs make more than 50% of traffic to residential" you would definitely be right

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by necovek »

Aurornis wrote: post #175
quacked wrote: post #159

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It's a service problem. Every new service is a colossal headache to set up payment, remember to cancel payment if you only wanted to see the single event and have no need for the service the rest of the year, find what's playing on what when, deal with their bullshit when they add ads onto an ad-free plan that you bought only because it was ad-free, yadda yadda yadda. The suits could have had 10x as much money out of…

> Every new service is a colossal headache to set up payment, remember to cancel payment if you only wanted to see the single event and have no need for the service the rest of the year, find what's playing on what when I just don't find these arguments convincing after watching my friend spend cumulative hours upon hours jumping between pirate streaming services trying to find a stable feed for every game. This feel…

I'd happily pay for DRM-free content, but it's rarely available in digital form in smaller markets like non-EU European country of Serbia: the only alternative is to look for BR or DVD or CD copies and then rip them myself, which is even more time consuming than finding a decent quality not-so-legal option.

Even for music, I do spend time looking for DRM free options (eg. Apple only offers iTunes streaming in Serbia and I had to resort to options running a much smaller catalog like 7digital). I always try going first party first (eg. band's site for music), but it's increasingly not an option.

And if I want local Serbian/Croatian/... content, no provider has it at all. As an example, one of local publishers recently started releasing "eBooks" readable only in their own mobile app for Android or iOS: none of my Kindle, Remarkable or Kobo can read them. I did let them know about my willingness to jump on their service if they actually made their books work on my eBook devices, but they did not even honour me with a reply :)

For me at least, it is a service problem.

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Post by otterley »

squigz wrote: post #198
Aurornis wrote: post #175

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> Every new service is a colossal headache to set up payment, remember to cancel payment if you only wanted to see the single event and have no need for the service the rest of the year, find what's playing on what when I just don't find these arguments convincing after watching my friend spend cumulative hours upon hours jumping between pirate streaming services trying to find a stable feed for every game. This feel…

In my experience, people's reasons for piracy are a pretty even mix of all these issues (service problems, principles, and cost) I'd certainly pirate less if I could afford it, but even if I could, I'd still pirate a lot of stuff because I don't want to worry about what streaming service it's on this week, or because I don't want to contribute to monopolization of some industry. And sure, I'd still pirate some things…

What are these "valid arguments for piracy" you refer to? Content isn't food, shelter, or clothing. It's a "nice to have" in one's life. It's literally entertainment.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by nitrat3 »

lxgr wrote: post #238
nitrat3 wrote: post #236

This is partly good because it forces development of ways to bypass this censorship. Perhaps the frog is being boiled but the frog will learn to jump.

Or somebody will put a lid on the pot.

Does not seem like a good idea to a put a lid on a heavily boiling pot...

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Post by swiftcoder »

Look, I'd be more supportive of this sort of thing if it worked - pirated futbol streams are rampant despite the blocking.

And the blast radius often is the entire devstack. Last weekend they blocked Cloudflare and GitHub simultaneously.

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Post by gib444 »

themafia wrote: post #109
jwr wrote: post #9

This is incredibly stupid, but don't laugh at Spaniards: your (and my) lawmakers are equally likely to enact similarly stupid laws. It's mind-boggling how stupid the world can be sometimes.

> how stupid the world can be This isn't stupidity. It's corruption.

Speaking of which, the PM is surrounded by people a judge is currently indicting for various forms of corruption

His wife, right hand man, etc

What's that saying about the company you keep...

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Post by pessimizer »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #131
tverbeure wrote: post #88

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You've probably never watched Indiana Jones speak French... I was forced to when staying for 2 weeks in the south of Belgium as part of a French immersion program. It's unbearable. When I watch an American movie, I want to hear it the way the director intended it to be. I don't want every villain in every movie have the same voice. If I want to hear Dutch in a movie, I watch a Dutch movie. It's not that deep. The fac…

> I don't want every villain in every movie have the same voice. Sounds like your problem is with crappy, cheap dubbing, not dubbing in general. Look at Disney animation for dubbing done right (and more so in the 20th century - these days I’m not so sure).

A cartoon is the worst possible example.

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Post by Bloomy22 »

kakacik wrote: post #216
quacked wrote: post #159

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It's a service problem. Every new service is a colossal headache to set up payment, remember to cancel payment if you only wanted to see the single event and have no need for the service the rest of the year, find what's playing on what when, deal with their bullshit when they add ads onto an ad-free plan that you bought only because it was ad-free, yadda yadda yadda. The suits could have had 10x as much money out of…

You dont understand that there are other mentalities / mindsets than yours. Well they are, and they can be rotten pretty badly. What OP describes is still very prevalent in eastern EU/Europe too, people pirate and do stupid stuff just to save few bucks. But then if you earn very different optics. Mindset comes from the past and doesnt feel the need to change for 2026. I come from such an environment, partially still…

As Spaniards, we have not gone through communism but we have gone through a dictatorship where we went through a lot of misery. Maybe that mentality will come there.

In any case, in Spain the level of penetration of streaming services seems high. Although you will always find people who pirate (it was very common when Canal+ existed, etc., then it decreased with the arrival of Netflix, HBO, Spotify and Prime) and now with prices continuously rising I hear a lot about IPTV and pirate decoders.

Although I believe that in the specific case of LaLiga, much of the fault lies with the prices imposed. The dominant and more traditional operator (also the most trillero) only offers you the service through convergent Megapacks with attractive prices when hiring and crazy when renewing. The arrival of DAZN has softened it but I don't think it will improve the situation in the medium term. It is very curious that they then reach agreements in emerging markets to offer the price-drawn product (China) and in no case the income is reflected in a more competitive League.

Radically changing area, in the field of software there is the culture of paying the minimum. If it can be zero better, even if it means visiting dubious sites and risking your data and credit cards.

My vision may be biased. In fact it is ;-)

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Post by tossandthrow »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #229
giantg2 wrote: post #176

This is how greed works. The players want as much money as they can get. The owners want to charge as much as they can for everything while paying the least possible amount. The networks that buy the broadcasting and other rights want to most they can charge for them. Sports have gotten way out of hand, even without the betting aspect. People criticize gambling, porn, and other less desirable forms of entertainment w…

>This is how greed works. The players want as much money as they can get. The owners want to charge as much as they can for everything while paying the least possible amount. The networks that buy the broadcasting and other rights want to most they can charge for them. And the buyer wants to pay as little as they possibly can. That's not greed. That's called a market and it's functioning as it should.

There is only a market if there is a commodity.

La Liga is not a commodity as I can not equally make a La Liga.

This is the basis for antitrust regulations.

So no, there is not market. And as such there is no markets that functions as it should.

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