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Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by roer »

raincole wrote: post #92
llbbdd wrote: post #30

Assuming that "piracy is a service problem, not a pricing problem" is still the prevailing wisdom, what is Spain / La Liga doing wrong that sports piracy is so prevalent as to warrant this? It seems like a no-brainer to expand stream availability and charge appropriately for it vs. scheduling daily kneecaps of other economic activity.

> "piracy is a service problem, not a pricing problem" I never buy into this. If copyright law doesn't exist, pirate sites will eventually always provide better service than the official channels. One example is scanlation manga. Chinese scanlation sites have reached the theoretical ceiling of service: just serve images fast with a little nonintrusive ad. No login required. No way the official Japanese apps can provi…

It doesn't have to be significantly better. If the service is stable, cheap and hassle-free, people will pay for it.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by Pay08 »

adalacelove wrote: post #84
petcat wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there need to be EU-level regulations against individual countries, such as Spain and Italy, implementing these absurd restrictions Why should other EU members care what websites Spain allows their citizens to access? Does the "EU" even have authority for such a thing?

Yes, it has the authority. There are plenty of EU regulations that states must obey, from fundamental rights to taxation.

The question is about the authority to pass laws that only some countries need to obey. To my knowledge, the EU does not have the authority to do that.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by oscarcp »

electronsoup wrote: post #36

At what point does spanish internet become too unreliable? There was a thread the other day about someone's CI jobs failing due too this.

There was a case two weeks ago about someone unable to locate their missing parent with a tracking application (I'm assuming the parent has some sort of dementia) because the application could not connect to the servers. Link in spanish https://hipertextual.com/actualidad/los-bloqueos-de-laliga-e...

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by fsniper »

raincole wrote: post #92
llbbdd wrote: post #30

Assuming that "piracy is a service problem, not a pricing problem" is still the prevailing wisdom, what is Spain / La Liga doing wrong that sports piracy is so prevalent as to warrant this? It seems like a no-brainer to expand stream availability and charge appropriately for it vs. scheduling daily kneecaps of other economic activity.

> "piracy is a service problem, not a pricing problem" I never buy into this. If copyright law doesn't exist, pirate sites will eventually always provide better service than the official channels. One example is scanlation manga. Chinese scanlation sites have reached the theoretical ceiling of service: just serve images fast with a little nonintrusive ad. No login required. No way the official Japanese apps can provi…

I read this as you are in fact in agreement with the statement. If that's the ceiling, provide the same level of service and gain more of the market. In which you have all the means to be faster, non-intrusive, and less faulty so that you can be always better.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by nradov »

embedding-shape wrote: post #74
bot403 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or you can have all of those things but also not block cloudflare. Because blocking cloudflare is in the interest of just a few company's profits and is unrelated to everything else you mentioned.

Yes, sure, as mentioned, I agree with that it's fucking stupid, but when someone complains about that, while referring to "quality of life" in a place which more depends on other things, it's worth to zoom out a bit and gain some perspective, which was frankly missing in the comment I was responding to.

Nah, I didn't miss anything. I've spent enough time in the EU (including the poorer parts that most tourists don't visit) to have a crystal clear perspective on the real situation.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by bix6 »

opengrass wrote: post #115
llbbdd wrote: post #30

Assuming that "piracy is a service problem, not a pricing problem" is still the prevailing wisdom, what is Spain / La Liga doing wrong that sports piracy is so prevalent as to warrant this? It seems like a no-brainer to expand stream availability and charge appropriately for it vs. scheduling daily kneecaps of other economic activity.

Piracy is for teenagers and poor people.

How many middle class families can legitimately afford an extra $100/mo+ on multiple streaming services?

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by Pay08 »

scotty79 wrote: post #81
petcat wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there need to be EU-level regulations against individual countries, such as Spain and Italy, implementing these absurd restrictions Why should other EU members care what websites Spain allows their citizens to access? Does the "EU" even have authority for such a thing?

Basically EU should step in whenever country level government doesn't do a good enough job for its citizens. It's not strong enough to do that yet but a lot of people with cheap governments wish it was.

That would be an absolute disaster and basically destroy European democracy.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by embedding-shape »

isodev wrote: post #100
0x_rs wrote: post #42

Seems obvious at this point there needs to be EU-level regulations against individual countries, such as Spain and Italy, implementing these absurd restrictions. It would at least make lobbying from those sports companies more difficult. These same companies have been pushing for banning VPNs -- consumer VPNs -- as they easily circumvent half the internet going dark because of some dumb sports event, and they're goin…

I would say the root problem is not someone seeking to prevent piracy but rather the fact that so many services are clustered behind the same proxy / CDN service (e.g. Cloudflare). That in my view is what needs to be regulated and Cloudflare designated as a “gatekeeper” with all the responsibilities to go with that. La Liga would never be able to secure blanket bans if people and services were more decentralised

Both are problems. In Spain we have laws that are supposed to give us reasonable access to internet websites, and no one should be able to block large swaths of the internet in order to block access to few websites, supposedly at least. Clearly this been compromised, and the judges themselves seems to go against the law, but I'm hopeful it'd be restored one day.

> La Liga would never be able to secure blanket bans if people and services were more decentralised

They technically haven't either. According to "ban-supporters", La Liga first reached out to Cloudflare asking them to shut down the pirate stream websites using Cloudflare. After Cloudflare rejected that, La Liga went to judges that approved forcing ISPs to ban specific IPs (related to the services) which happened to be Cloudflare IPs that other services uses too.

End result is the same, it fucking sucks sometimes when shit unexplicitly breaks before you remember there is a football game, but at least I think that's a bit more accurate to what's practically happening :)

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by connorboyle »

> The announcement speaks of blocking domains, URLs and IP addresses, the latter of which affects legitimate services if the addresses belong to CDN services such as Cloudflare.

> La información habla tanto de bloqueos de dominios, URLs y de direcciones IP, caso este último que, cuando se produce, afecta a servicios legítimos si se trata de direcciones pertenecientes a servicios CDN como Cloudflare.

Another casualty of the centralized internet of our time

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by falcor84 »

hirako2000 wrote: post #112
raincole wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "piracy is a service problem, not a pricing problem" I never buy into this. If copyright law doesn't exist, pirate sites will eventually always provide better service than the official channels. One example is scanlation manga. Chinese scanlation sites have reached the theoretical ceiling of service: just serve images fast with a little nonintrusive ad. No login required. No way the official Japanese apps can provi…

Except that it isn't true. Candycrush (CrunchyRoll of course) had gained the love of the anime crowd. Until they started to "optimise" bandwidth. It wasn't a pricing error as subscription price didn't increase. They claim the degradation was perceptible. Except that it was. It was many years ago, and since then candycrush lost subscribers. It won't because illegal streaming platforms got better, simply because the il…

Candycrush? I suppose you mean Crunchyroll, right?
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