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Re: The American Healthcare Conundrum

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post #213

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"Obesity costs the US healthcare system almost $173 billion a year." So that's about 6% of the difference? I'm not immediately saying no, but it sounds like that's not the real problem.

That 6% number isn't even close to accurate. There are many other very expensive chronic conditions that are downstream of obesity including type-2 diabetes, heart failure, hypertension, MSK injuries, etc. We are digging our graves with our teeth.

Except all those things reduce peoples lifespan, and age-related care is by far the most expensive medical care.

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> The US spends ~$14,570 per person on healthcare. Japan spends ~$5,790 and has the highest life expectancy in the OECD. That gap is roughly $3 trillion per year. The difference in life expectancy will be influenced by multiple factors and may have more to do with diet and lifestyle than with healthcare. Japan also spends less per capita than the UK, France or Germany. The US spends a lot more than any of those so th…

The US also has GDP per capita of $90k and Japan has a GDP per capita of ~ $35k. Put another way, in both countries a hip replacement surgery is almost exactly 1/8 of someone's per capita GDP.

The difference that using percentage of GDP instead that Japan moves close to the European countries. The US remains a very expensive outlier.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.CHEX.GD.ZS?locat...

Re: The American Healthcare Conundrum

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> The US spends ~$14,570 per person on healthcare. Japan spends ~$5,790 and has the highest life expectancy in the OECD. That gap is roughly $3 trillion per year. The difference in life expectancy will be influenced by multiple factors and may have more to do with diet and lifestyle than with healthcare. Japan also spends less per capita than the UK, France or Germany. The US spends a lot more than any of those so th…

We in Germany copied a lot of the stupid stuff from America (including the stupid billing system for inpatient stays), so it's not that surprising that our system is also bad value for money. PS: Outcomes here are not worse than those of rich people in the US, because I know some idiots will claim this to cope https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullar...

Actually Germany is a lot better value for money than the US. The cost (either absolute or as a percentage of GDP) is similar to the UK or France, and from what I have been told by people who have lived in both countries, the German system is better than the British.

Re: The American Healthcare Conundrum

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post #60

> The US spends ~$14,570 per person on healthcare. Japan spends ~$5,790 and has the highest life expectancy in the OECD. That gap is roughly $3 trillion per year. The difference in life expectancy will be influenced by multiple factors and may have more to do with diet and lifestyle than with healthcare. Japan also spends less per capita than the UK, France or Germany. The US spends a lot more than any of those so th…

Try seeing a doctor in Japan as a foreigner. Just a simple consult costs $300 USD or so, and it goes up from there. It's actually a rather expensive system.

This is absolutely not true. I pay the equivalent of about $40 for X-rays and blood tests. A simple consultation is about $15, if that. I recently got diagnosed with asthma, and the whole set of tests plus a month of medicine came out to about 6000 yen, which I suppose is $40.

The only reason you would pay that much is if you're visiting a private no-insurance clinic and not using insurance. And private clinics pretty much only exist to prey on people who identify as expats and make zero attempt at learning non-English languages, aside from a few exceptions (certain speciality dentists, plastic surgery, anonymous STD treatment, some cancers).

Re: The American Healthcare Conundrum

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post #238

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Mostly not marketing (still large), but the R&D costs and clinical trial costs. The latter are in hundreds of millions to billions range for the entire journey from a promising discovery to an FDA-approved medicine.

Why not just research it outside of the US if the problem is the FDA cost

You still need the same FDA approval and process to sell it in the US

Re: The American Healthcare Conundrum

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post #238

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> the existence of America's prescription drug markets drives the new innovative drugs that the rest of the world picks up for cheap. That's the ludicrous propaganda that you've been fed but you really should be intelligent enough to dismiss it. The world would get along just fine without you overpaying for your drugs. You pay for marketing costs.

Mostly not marketing (still large), but the R&D costs and clinical trial costs. The latter are in hundreds of millions to billions range for the entire journey from a promising discovery to an FDA-approved medicine.

Every time Ive looked into it marketing is more than half of the costs of US pharma companies - and I would suspect even more as don't know if there has much work to unmask even more of that spending via channels that can occur in ways not obviously marked as marketing or at least are really not core to research and manufacturing.

e.g. is all the "discount coupon" pharmacy rigamarole considered marketing or administration.

Re: The American Healthcare Conundrum

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post #60

> The US spends ~$14,570 per person on healthcare. Japan spends ~$5,790 and has the highest life expectancy in the OECD. That gap is roughly $3 trillion per year. The difference in life expectancy will be influenced by multiple factors and may have more to do with diet and lifestyle than with healthcare. Japan also spends less per capita than the UK, France or Germany. The US spends a lot more than any of those so th…

It "may be other than health care" but most (all?) other modern nations on multiple continents in multiple cultures spend less percent GDP on healthcare with longer life expectancy than the US

Re: The American Healthcare Conundrum

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post #44
post #30

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Would like sources about the pharmaceutical sector being "subsidised" by the American system, heard it many times but haven't seen it substantiated.

If you want to understand the hidden cross-subsidies in the US healthcare financing system then a good place to start is the book "The Price We Pay: What Broke American Health Care--and How to Fix It" by Dr. Marty Makary. https://www.bloomsbury.com/us/price-we-pay-9781635574128/

Looked into a summary of the book, with notes by chapter and haven't found any mention of the American system subsidising pharma prices for other countries. It mentions a lot PBMs (like CVS, Cigna, etc.) as the culprit for high prices in the USA and talks about how when pharmacies are allowed to compete the prices do go down.

From the book it seems much more like the American public is being taken advantage of by the prescription fulfillment from pharmacy networks rather than subsidising anything for the rest of the world.

> Today, approximately 80% of Americans get their medications through a PBM.2 American businesses financing the coverage and the employees paying for their medications are usually oblivious to the price gouging. When people get frustrated that drug prices keep going up, they often point the finger at pharma bad boys like Martin Shkreli. More often, though, the price spikes are taking place right under their noses.

> If we could slash the spread, it would make a tremendous difference for thousands of businesses. According to a recent analysis in the journal Health Affairs, reducing generic reimbursement by $1 per prescription would lower health spending by $5.6 billion annually.

> Health insurance companies direct their business to their own PBMs, which increases their margins. For example, OptumRx, one of the big three PBMs, is owned by America’s largest health insurance company, UnitedHealth Group. Insurers may offer less expensive health insurance premiums. But then they use their PBM to achieve a greater profit margin.

> The PBM Express Scripts is now owned by the insurance company Cigna, and as I write this book, a merger between the PBM CVS Caremark and the insurer Aetna is being finalized. Together, the big three PBMs—OptumRx, Express Scripts, and CVS Caremark—control approximately 85% of the U.S. market and manage medication benefits for most people in the United States.

Re: The American Healthcare Conundrum

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post #60

> The US spends ~$14,570 per person on healthcare. Japan spends ~$5,790 and has the highest life expectancy in the OECD. That gap is roughly $3 trillion per year. The difference in life expectancy will be influenced by multiple factors and may have more to do with diet and lifestyle than with healthcare. Japan also spends less per capita than the UK, France or Germany. The US spends a lot more than any of those so th…

Japanese Americans have a slightly higher life expectancy in the US (87 years) vs Japanese living in Japan (85 years).

Re: The American Healthcare Conundrum

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Why not just research it outside of the US if the problem is the FDA cost

You still need the same FDA approval and process to sell it in the US

Cost cut them. You think the administration won't take a bribe at that point?
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