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Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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If we all ditch our phones then how will we record the abuses of power?

Disposable film cameras and FRS walkie-talkies, I think.

FRS: family radio service, a broadcast communications technology, TIL:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Radio_Service>

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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post #226

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I mean, who else is using a pager in Lebanon? That's not a tool a normal consumer uses, it's only used by people to evade phone surveillance. I think it sounds like a high probability that anyone receiving one of these pages in Lebanon is part of Hezbollah.

> I mean, who else is using a pager in Lebanon? But they can impossibly actually know who physically has the pager next to them, when they're triggering them. This is the "failing to verify each target" part.

I mean in the case in Lebanon they knew. They sold those pagers to Hezbollah.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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"can track phones without a warrant and follow their owners home or to their employer" sounds strangely like what was reported to be happening to Palestinians in Gaza. Penlink is in Israel. I think there is a good chance this tech was developed and used in the ongoing genocide against Palestinians and is now being resold to law enforcement here.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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post #288

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She wasn't referring to K1 visas specifically, she was referring to USCIS and how they'd prioritize dealing with enforcement actions against people in non-compliance with their visa obligations. And I'd suspect as an immigration attorney, she likely had first-hand experience of same.

The K1 approvel rate seems a decent proxy instead of 1 lawyer's opinion. Acceptance went up during V1 of the current administation. https://visagrader.com/visa-approvals-and-refusals/K1 Jamaica, not known for having lots of people with pale skin, has basicaly same approval rate as Germany. https://visagrader.com/visa-approvals-and-refusals/K1/jamaic... https://visagrader.com/visa-approvals-and-refusals/K1/german... W…

You're not understanding. This has nothing to do with the K1 visa. Or approval rates. I came from a low risk country.

This is about adjustments of status, for any visa, and people who fall out of compliance and are in a period of being "unauthorized" to be/stay/work in the country.

And sorry, given ICE's mandates, ruled temporarily okay by SCOTUS, that color of skin, accent, name are effectively "probable cause" for detention, I'd say her perspective is absolutely aligned with current enforcement priorities.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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That's not a very realistic standard for a wartime covert operation.

Maybe that's the wrong way to think about it? Maybe these "wartime covert operations" need to read up on Human Rights and figure out a way to work within it?

Sounds like a unilateral disarmament, which is not how to win a war. Hamas and the like have no concern with human rights of course.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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You didn’t answer the question. The ACLU called Obama a monster, and they call Trump a monster, too. Obama set the precedent, I agree Trump added childish and cruel rhetoric. ( But the use of ICE is the same with Obama and Trump. ) I do not agree on Nazi actions, etc. That’s exaggeration and it’s not useful. So do we agree that on the deployment and tactics of ICE that Obama and Trump are roughly equal? If you don’t…

> But the use of ICE is the same with Obama and Trump. > So do we agree that on the deployment and tactics of ICE that Obama and Trump are roughly equal No, they're not the same as I've demonstrated. I'll ask again: did Obama do those things above? You can keep pretending that "ICE is only there to deport people" but as reality has shown, that's not true. They show up to events to intimidate, they tear gas and shoot…

The ACLU condemned Obama for his use of ICE. Many times.

If you condemn Trump, it is only logical to condemn Obama for doing largely the same thing. The ACLU does.

Heres an ACLU article that discusses both:

https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/border-patrol-wa...

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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post #270

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> If you're talking about not being able to install third party apps, aurora store doesn't require an account and works fine on stock android. Most other basic functionality works fine too, eg. camera, calls, browsing, maps. The Play Store is not the only issue with stock Android devices. Google dependencies run with high privileges and the device is constantly communicating with Google servers for one reason or anot…

The point about de-Google'd Android vs your insistence on GrapheneOS is that by the time you are using Google's libraries, like Maps, Play Services, or their notification service (Firebase, IIRC), you've already lost. GrapheneOS is not dramatically better than de-Google'd Android if you're still sending all your notifications through Google, as well as your location and things like contacts The point is you have to l…

> insistence on GrapheneOS is that by the time you are using Google's libraries, like Maps, Play Services, or their notification service (Firebase, IIRC), you've already lost.

Graphene offers the option of sandboxing Google apps should you want them. The usual setup is a second user profile with all the Google stuff in it. My main profile only contain FOSS apps and nothing passes through Google's servers. I use the Google profile for the maps with a dedicated account maybe once a month when driving somewhere unfamiliar.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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> But the use of ICE is the same with Obama and Trump. > So do we agree that on the deployment and tactics of ICE that Obama and Trump are roughly equal No, they're not the same as I've demonstrated. I'll ask again: did Obama do those things above? You can keep pretending that "ICE is only there to deport people" but as reality has shown, that's not true. They show up to events to intimidate, they tear gas and shoot…

The ACLU condemned Obama for his use of ICE. Many times. If you condemn Trump, it is only logical to condemn Obama for doing largely the same thing. The ACLU does. Heres an ACLU article that discusses both: https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/border-patrol-wa...

You're being disingenuous by saying things like:

  > largely the same thing
Look at the points I mentioned and tell me how they're the same. I don't contest that law enforcement does awful things with their power, but this administration emboldens them is the difference.

  > I do not agree on Nazi actions, etc. That’s exaggeration and it’s not useful.
What? You disagree with the actions but it's also exaggerated?

  > deployment and tactics of ICE that Obama and Trump are roughly equal
Answer this for me: did Obama send ICE agents into cities as retribution? Did he send ICE agents into schools, hospitals, protests, etc.[0]?

If ICE agents are known to abuse detainees, then why would you want them in sensitive areas? By that metric, these administrations are not even close to being the same.

0: https://www.ice.gov/doclib/ero-outreach/pdf/10029.2-policy.p... (hint: no he didn't - "Enforcement Actions at or Focused on Sensitive Locations")

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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The ACLU condemned Obama for his use of ICE. Many times. If you condemn Trump, it is only logical to condemn Obama for doing largely the same thing. The ACLU does. Heres an ACLU article that discusses both: https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/border-patrol-wa...

You're being disingenuous by saying things like: > largely the same thing Look at the points I mentioned and tell me how they're the same. I don't contest that law enforcement does awful things with their power, but this administration emboldens them is the difference. > I do not agree on Nazi actions, etc. That’s exaggeration and it’s not useful. What? You disagree with the actions but it's also exaggerated? > deplo…

Obama set the precedent, didn’t he?

The ACLU calls Obama a monster.

Now it’s time to fish or cut bait. Do you condemn Obama for using ICE as described in the many articles I have shared?

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're being disingenuous by saying things like: > largely the same thing Look at the points I mentioned and tell me how they're the same. I don't contest that law enforcement does awful things with their power, but this administration emboldens them is the difference. > I do not agree on Nazi actions, etc. That’s exaggeration and it’s not useful. What? You disagree with the actions but it's also exaggerated? > deplo…

Obama set the precedent, didn’t he? The ACLU calls Obama a monster. Now it’s time to fish or cut bait. Do you condemn Obama for using ICE as described in the many articles I have shared?

Obama didn't use ICE to crack down on dissent or to sexually abuse minors, so no. He didn't set precedent for the ways they're being used now.
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